Well, Lh was maybe a bit fortunate not to get a penalty - but, if they gave LH the same penalty as MV (5 seconds) for going off-track, he would have still easily won the race.
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they didnt, they assumed he'd have to give the position up (bc it was that obvious what the correct action was..). the wording was more like "you'll have to give back the position" -- which turned out not to be the case.
apparently ferrari told vettel max had been instructed to give position which was false & led to a lot of misdirected anger from vettel.
i'm a ferrari fan & ill absolutely call max on his BS but he was totally in the right this race, only guilty of some bad driving at a couple key spots, which cost him appropriately. but the issue here was with whiting & race control.
Irrelevant ! There was a SC just after it, so there's no point in talking about it ! Why did Sainz get a penalty on Alonso and not Verstappen when he pushed Rosberg in the 1st lap ?
My insight: Max was wrong...period. He tried to defend Vettel's DRS (in which everybody knew he would not gonna make it), braked too late. Vettel already next to him and the only escape route was the shortcut through the grass. Team tells him that he has to return position, which he does not which is legit. At that moment race control did not sent out an penalty telling Max to return position. But the team knew there was an investigation and they were sure that Max would get a penalty...anyways.
Im not a Vettel or Max fan. Im a fan of good races wether its F1, Imsa, WEC or indycar. Max has to cool down. Right know he acts like a stubborn child who is not sensitive for any form of rules. But hen again...he's young.
Im not a Vettel or Max fan. Im a fan of good races wether its F1, Imsa, WEC or indycar. Max has to cool down. Right know he acts like a stubborn child who is not sensitive for any form of rules. But hen again...he's young.
The team has not told him to give the position back. They told him not to give it back.. btw, Vettel has never had that position
Read this
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/10/31/ferrari-podium-taken-away-bureaucracy/
Or this
http://m.crash.net/f1/news/234920/1/verstappen-was-told-not-to-give-up-third-horner.html
Read this
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/10/31/ferrari-podium-taken-away-bureaucracy/
Or this
http://m.crash.net/f1/news/234920/1/verstappen-was-told-not-to-give-up-third-horner.html
For such a boring race, there was a lot of drama and things that need to be addressed
Firstly, penalties are so inconsistently handed out. It's a joke
Max becomes more and more of a ****ing twat everyday. Bumping Nico off at turn one and then cutting the track to gain an advantage, not relinquishing the position, and then trying to force Vettel into being passed. He deservingly lost the podium spot
Now Vettel needs to calm down a bit. Not so much with what happened with him swearing at Charlie, as I understand why it happened, but him moving under braking with Ricciardo was wrong (I've slated Max for this and I'll slate anyone else who does it). Was not good from Vettel and he also deservingly lost a podium
You may disagree with me but Hamilton should have probably got a 5 second penalty. He did gain an advantage doing the same thing Max did at the end of the race. Sure, the VSC and SC neutralised that but it meant he was under no pressure heading into turn four, a potential overtaking spot
Sainz deserved his penalty, don't get why he's trying to defend himself. You have mirrors for a reason, you don't need 360 degree vision
Hulkenberg over reacted to the Raikkonen incident, not really anyone to blame.
Guitterez, Pascal and Ericsson collided, racing incident, nothing more to say
Kvyat continues to baffle me. Like how the hell did he get a second chance. Got a penalty and rightfully so. You can't overtake people off the circuit. Shame the stewards couldn't recognise that with Nando at Austin
Overall, a really scruffy race. Not good at all for the so called best in the world
Firstly, penalties are so inconsistently handed out. It's a joke
Max becomes more and more of a ****ing twat everyday. Bumping Nico off at turn one and then cutting the track to gain an advantage, not relinquishing the position, and then trying to force Vettel into being passed. He deservingly lost the podium spot
Now Vettel needs to calm down a bit. Not so much with what happened with him swearing at Charlie, as I understand why it happened, but him moving under braking with Ricciardo was wrong (I've slated Max for this and I'll slate anyone else who does it). Was not good from Vettel and he also deservingly lost a podium
You may disagree with me but Hamilton should have probably got a 5 second penalty. He did gain an advantage doing the same thing Max did at the end of the race. Sure, the VSC and SC neutralised that but it meant he was under no pressure heading into turn four, a potential overtaking spot
Sainz deserved his penalty, don't get why he's trying to defend himself. You have mirrors for a reason, you don't need 360 degree vision
Hulkenberg over reacted to the Raikkonen incident, not really anyone to blame.
Guitterez, Pascal and Ericsson collided, racing incident, nothing more to say
Kvyat continues to baffle me. Like how the hell did he get a second chance. Got a penalty and rightfully so. You can't overtake people off the circuit. Shame the stewards couldn't recognise that with Nando at Austin
Overall, a really scruffy race. Not good at all for the so called best in the world
No, its not Irrelevant! Hamilton saved his first place till the SC came. If he had not cutted, someone could fought him.
Not only fought, if Hamilton would have made it correctly (assuming there would have been sand instead of grass), Hamilton would have been third after this corner, and that would have made a huge difference..this way he gained around 2-3 seconds over people who took the corner clean. Irrelevant, if there was a SC after. Would have made a huge difference if he would have ended up third behind the SC
Jean Todt is thinking about giving Vettel a 1 race ban for his language against race director Charlie.... This is not over yet. 
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Disagreed. There is contact, even tho Ricciardo steers left (so away) from Vettel. Meaning Vettel got in the way (in front of) Ricciardo
Jean Todt is thinking about giving Vettel a 1 race ban for his language against race director Charlie.... This is not over yet.
He at least deserves a nice size fine. I mean you can't publicly tell the refs to "**** off" in any other organized sport, even if the league comes out and admits they blew the call in question.
It is kinda funny that all the Hamilton haters (usually Vettel lovers) used to say he whines all the time and what not, but Vettel has pretty much become the whining king on the grid.
Vettel is extremely frustrated at the moment.. A car which is not improving, a team mate who's faster than him on more than one occasion. Red bull has overtaken Ferrari, And than there's a young brat who's testing you like no one did before.
Than you lobby against that brat, so there's even a kind of verstappen rule, so you can pass that brat easier, and who's caught first on breaking that rule, Mr Vettel himself..
I can see why he's frustrated
Than you lobby against that brat, so there's even a kind of verstappen rule, so you can pass that brat easier, and who's caught first on breaking that rule, Mr Vettel himself..
I can see why he's frustrated
I would have done the exact same as Vettel, so I can't complain
(With the swearing, not moving under braking)
(With the swearing, not moving under braking)
I thought it was wrong of them to publicly release the radio message, I mean what did they expect? I'm sure drivers have said something along the same lines or even worse before... And releasing audio such as that doesn't really help the sport in anyway :/
(And at the risk of being labeled a "Fanboy" I am looking at this from am impartial view.)
(And at the risk of being labeled a "Fanboy" I am looking at this from am impartial view.)
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For eaxample. In sucker. ..uh..I mean soccer... you receive a nice red card if you use such language to the referee. Why should that be different in other sports, like F1? In the past teams scrambled their messages, so no one could listen. It was at some time illegal to have data transmission between the car to the pit and visa versa. With the scrambled messages the FIA was not able to check if a message coming from the car or pit was just radio or data. I think when they opened the channels they also started broadcasting radio messages on TV.
Vettel surely isn't the happiest driver on the grid. He is struggling like Alonso did for many years.
Vettel surely isn't the happiest driver on the grid. He is struggling like Alonso did for many years.
