Gtr2 allmost 15 years old

[GP STONER]

Hello guys.

Do some people know about falcon 4.0
And the free 64 bit rebuild of a game from 1998.

They did rebuild it to 64 bit with a higher directx.

So are there some brilliant modders around here that would like to try that with gtr2?

If they can do it with a game from 1998 why not with a game from 2006

 

[GP STONER]

I was in second quali

In some tracks i could fix this by adding in the track grb file the max laps during a quali session.

I give them 45 minutes for 6 laps
If a car stays on the track after 6 quali laps they dont drive full power any more and the current lap timing go's blank so they cant improve on there lap times any more. - le mans is 4 minutes lap for the slowest class

Waited untill time was 00:00 left and all cars where in there garage and only the i clicked on next session. I am going to record it. Make a 2 laps quali with minutes 9 minutes then i can show you

 

[GP STONER]

Try using the second qualifying session instead of the first. I don't have to do that but I've heard it mentioned before.

1:32 long vid look at the standings menu before and after i switched from qualify to race

 

[HypoToad]

Still playing it, it's still the best and easiest to customise, and the graphics with the updates/mods are better than AC IMO. They broke the mold when they made GTR2.

 

[GP STONER]

Still playing it, it's still the best and easiest to customise, and the graphics with the updates/mods are better than AC IMO. They broke the mold when they made GTR2.

Explain to me how gtr2 have beter graphics then assetto corsa?

The engine of gtr2 cant handle loads of polygons resulting lots of objects in gtr2 are sqaure (tech back then of 2005/2006 is not to compair with nowdays tech, and no real 64 bit, above 4 gb of ram and using propper 8 cores or more)

If you use lasso or something else to give gtr2 multi core.. on my ryzen 2th gen cpu (6 core 12 in total) and i am using msi afterburner ingame overlay
To see use and temps of cpu gpu etc.

I used lasso + 4gb patch and for gtr2 i selected every core but left out core 1 and 2 for windows etc, So gtr2 haves 10 cores to play with.

Msi afterburner ingame overlay shows me that only one core most of the times core number 3 is most used between 78-98% some times that core drops to 58-78% in use but at the same time a other core is loaded the missing 20% when core 3 is normally 98 and it drops to 78 % core number 4 thats normally idle at the time core 3 is at 98% is now 20 % at the time core 3 is 78%

So when i look at those 64 bit games
Core 1 untill 12 is in use all the time in compair to gtr2 1 core 98% with little help form a other core.

This resultes in that gtr2 can handle less objects less polygons and have to work very hard for dynamic shadows and light.

If assetto corsa looks horrible on your machine in compair to gtr2 maybe you need to buy a other pc.

Gtr2 is a old 32 bit game with max support for directx 9.
Designed to run on a single or duo core cpu from 2004-2006 era with 2 to 3 gb ram at most. This will not change and can only be changed when gtr2 is made to real 64 bit.

Aint gonna happen gtr3 is on the horizon.
That will probably go the acc or iracing way.. no modding just paid dlc's.
So a game like gtr2 as easy modding will probably never made again.

Enjoy it while you can because over a few years you need something like a dosbox to run gtr2 because or the machines going to be too fast for gtr2 32 bit to handle

 

[Bjarne Hansen]

Explain to me how gtr2 have beter graphics then assetto corsa?

Original Ac isn't looking very good. With shader patch and Sol is it much better but still a very static looking sim. I guess that is why the poster you referring to prefer the looks of Gtr2.
Sure the cars in AC are looking much better and are much more detailed than in Gtr2. But the tracks are very static looking and looks more like a picture than a scene in a video game.
I have converted the Nordschliefe from AC to Gtr2 and it looks better in Gtr2! But I am not saying that always is true!

I used lasso + 4gb patch and for gtr2 i selected every core but left out core 1 and 2 for windows etc, So gtr2 haves 10 cores to play with.

Gtr2 will use 2 cores and while it in some cases can utilize more with Process Lasso it is hardly makes a difference in fps but I get with 12 cores why not throw them at it.
There is a tread on RD on how many cores the different sims are using and if I recall right AC didn't do much better with +4 cores than with 4 cores and that was mix running with Windows! Believe 3 cores was very close to 4 cores too
Pretty sure you are the first person that has managed to get AC to utilizing all your cores!

AC run better, higher fps due to being 64 bit and therefor able to use more ram. Being dx11 moves more of the graphics load to the GPU compared to a dx9 Sim but the biggest boost is it doesn't spend many CPU cycles on AI . Without doubt the dumbest AI in any sim.
I get that AC became popular is come out at the right time. Can be modded which unfortunately is going the way of the dodo birds.
And online game play was always great and maybe apart from iracing still the most popular online race sim?

Enjoy it while you can because over a few years you need something like a dosbox to run gtr2 because or the machines going to be too fast for gtr2 32 bit to handle

That is not true! I can still run games from early 90'ish on a win 10 64bit.
There are nothing in Gtr2 that depend on CPU timing so for gtr2 the faster computer the better Ai and game play you get.
I am not overall disagreeing with you but just prefer Gtr2 over AC . And didn't even talk about championships, real time, dynamic weather and much easier modding!

 

[cangrejin]

Enjoy it while you can because over a few years you need something like a dosbox to run gtr2 because or the machines going to be too fast for gtr2 32 bit to handle

That is not true! I can still run games from early 90'ish on a win 10 64bit.
There are nothing in Gtr2 that depend on CPU timing so for gtr2 the faster computer the better Ai and game play you get.
I am not overall disagreeing with you but just prefer Gtr2 over AC . And didn't even talk about championships, real time, dynamic weather and much easier modding!

I said it in another thread, I tremble at the idea that there is no more dx9 or any compatibility, it would mean the end of games like gtr2 or f1c ... I just hope that happens in many (MANY) years.
f1c and grt2 still work perfectly for me, in windows 10, without any kind of compatibility activated (although I use them just in case)

 

[GP STONER]

That is not true! I can still run games from early 90'ish on a win 10 64bit.
There are nothing in Gtr2 that depend on CPU timing so for gtr2 the faster computer the better Ai and game play you get.

Well windows 10 yes.. next windows no.
Dirextx 9 is slowly faded out because microsoft is working on a cross stream platform for all machines that can handle windows. Every thing the same on every platform meaning same directx on you pc as xbox and other windows based machines.

Games like gtr2 dont know about the new structure of cpu (like ryzen 3)
So they never ever going to be optimized for working on 3 or more cores on the newest cpu's.

QUOTE="Bjarne Hansen, post: 3147933, member: 210402"]
I am not overall disagreeing with you but just prefer Gtr2 over AC . And didn't even talk about championships, real time, dynamic weather and much easier modding!
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I never stated that i am a ac fanboy
Infact you can ask shovas for example

I have stated that gtr2 is the best offline gt cars sim still around.

I dont need to talk about the championships thats mandatory too know
Thats still the best around.

Best thing ever in a sim game is the saving option when every you want to save you can.. even trackday can be saved..

In rfactor there is a option to continue from a replay file.. but the gtr2 option is much easier.

Never after gtr2 is there a racing sim that you can save anywhere every time..

Easy modding: yes its one of the easiest game to implement mods. Sure a great feature but it also lurks the danger with ripping of mods or mods that are very badly done.

Dynamic weather.. well for some reason in vanilla gtr2 it dont work in race all other sessions it will. Only with the gtr2 wx fix
It some what works depents on the track.

I have made in the past a track to test top 2 times 30 km long straights with banked cornerd ( super oval ) speed of ai cars in different conditions.
Such as grip level setup file etc.

With most cars and mod cars i found that when ai have the same amount of grip
In this case lets say ai dry grip level 1.00
Players dry grip level 1.00

With the same amount of downforce and gearing implemented by setup file but also by car.hdc file (tryed both ways)

And also change driver to ai in pitstop or 2nd driver to start first option.

That ai can reach 5 to 10 kph more then players can.

I quick fix to this was to set ai dry grip level 0.10 lower then the player dry grip level.

Gtr2 is very open in a way.
There is lots of things that can be tweaked or made better. But it reaches his limitations the only way to over come this

Is as the dev release the source codes etc
Like they did with falcon 4.0 to falcon 4.0 bms. A game from 1998 fixed in a way that it now can handle propper 64 bit
Like using more then 4 cores and handle more then 4 gb.

 

[Bjarne Hansen]

Well windows 10 yes.. next windows no.
Dirextx 9 is slowly faded out because microsoft is working on a cross stream platform for all machines that can handle windows. Every thing the same on every platform meaning same directx on you pc as xbox and other windows based machines.

Where do you have that info from?
MS has always gone to great lengths to maintain compatibility with older versions of windows programs since forever!
And anyway Win 10 LTSC will be supported until 2029 so it is not an issue worth worrying about at the moment!
And with DgVoodoo you can run any directdraw, dx7,dx8 and dx9 game as a dx11 does cost some fps but makes most games including Gtr2 look better.
Or change to Linux with Wine/ proton you can run nearly any dx9 game close to same fps as in Win 10.
Not a thing to worry about the new 15 years!

 

[cangrejin]

please ... don't tell horror stories.
long life to dx9, long life to gtr2 / f1c

 

[GP STONER]

Windows azuri...
Traces where found on the xbox

Microsoft still wants this to happen.
No installment on you hdd any more.

Crosslinked over all there platforms
Mening every platform same every thing so every thing is linked.

please ... don't tell horror stories.
long life to dx9, long life to gtr2 / f1c

Oh dear.. i cant give a short answer to your comment i have tryed.

So basicly it comes to this.

My first pc was back in 1991.
Pc from the great company gateway inc formerly known as gateway2000

Heck yeah even thinking about it makes me smile what a pc.. i dont know the specs any more but comes to this a 2 or 4 mb vid card floppy drive hardrive a few hunderd mb's big and 128 mb of ram.

Dos/norton commander
I cant remember if it had windows 3.1 or not.

Back in those days a pc like that cost in the netherlands around 2000 guldens in euros would it be around 1000 euros without inflation

If you now days spend 1000 euros what do you get?

if you go for amd you get a 12 core ryzen 5 2600x and a r570 or 580 and better with 8 gb ram or more and you even got money left.
But you got a propper 64 bit pc.

So why would you spend money on software thats only that cant use propper the full 12 cores and 8 gb of ram.
So you pick windows 64 bit. In stead of 32 bit version

This also applies for software programmers like microsoft etc
Why spend money and time on developing 32 bit when clearly 64 bit is the way to go.

Even mobile phones have 64 bit support
And work with 4 gb and more with 8 cores and more.

There is no way we going to get back to pre 64 bit era its only going forwards more rapidly then before.

To move forwards they need to ditch 32 bit this will also happen in the future with 64 bit.

Even fresh install of windows 10 is designed for tablets and note bookes
So many functions not even applying for desktop pc's.

We get with the new xbox cross platform gaming so we pc gamers can join xbox servers and visa versa. Have you see ingame footage of the new flight sim that also go to the xbox this time those graphics and features never could have happen with 32 bit.

Thats why it aint a horror story its just prepared for the future..

 

[beppegoodoldrebel]

Falcon BMS is now DX9 but they are apparently working on DX11... but they have the source code. I dont think it's the same for GTR2.

Anyway it's a huge process for modders, it will probably take less time waiting for GTR3.

 

[GTR233]

I don't think so because GTR3 project seems really vague about his content (from SimBinUK CEO interview we are not even sure it will be based on a full real serie, more likely a mix like nfs shift or GRID I think) and NO MODDING FOR SURE. Besides, there is absolutely no link between GTR2 and SimBinUK's GTR3 apart from "GTR" name, indeed no sequel to FIA GT and none of the staff worked at original SimBin studio. I am now really doubtful about this project after coronavirus economic recession... As my friend Bjarne told me "GTR2 20th Anniversary Patch will be released before GTR3 come out" ...but do not misunderstand me, I would really love to see a good sequel to GTR2