F1 US Grand Prix: Driver of the Day - Vote Now!

muzikant · Oct 23, 2018

Good interesting discussion. they would have to make a thread for this on racedepartment...
I believe

Sometimes is the car not better dan the driver... Like Senna in the Tolemann or Lotus
or Senna`s MP4/8 1993 customers ford.. and not only Donnington

Sometimes the car is a far better than the driver... Damon Hill.. Jacques Villeneuve for
example with the wiliams Renault. It was for years the best car vs the Benetton from Schumacher.

apex11 · Oct 23, 2018

You need to tell me where the vitriol is in that?
You don't get to be in F1 by not investing a lot of cash. FACT
So most drivers are there due to cash mainly, hell good drivers get dropped over drivers with more cash, connections etc...
Senna was no different, FACT, rich parents and just like Maldonardo had the backing of his country...(when many people were dirt poor and neglected by the state....in fairness to Senna he carried some guilt over this and did great charity work)

And Lewis does like to pretend he was from the mean streets.... when in truth he is a middle class kid from Stevenage..... you did know he is British right? He may talk like a Yank but he really isn't..

apex11 · Oct 23, 2018

muzikant said:
Good interesting discussion. they would have to make a thread for this on racedepartment...
I believe

Sometimes is the car not better dan the driver... Like Senna in the Tolemann or Lotus
or Senna`s MP4/8 1993 customers ford.. and not only Donnington

Sometimes the car is a far better than the driver... Damon Hill.. Jacques Villeneuve for
example with the wiliams Renault. It was for years the best car vs the Benetton from Schumacher.

Tolman is a fair shout, wet track plus loads dropped out and Monaco is a freak track.

ears · Oct 23, 2018

apex11 said:
You need to tell me where the vitriol is in that?
You don't get to be in F1 by not investing a lot of cash. FACT
So most drivers are there due to cash mainly, hell good drivers get dropped over drivers with more cash, connections etc...
Senna was no different, FACT, rich parents and just like Maldonardo had the backing of his country...(when many people were dirt poor and neglected by the state....in fairness to Senna he carried some guilt over this and did great charity work)

And Lewis does like to pretend he was from the mean streets.... when in truth he is a middle class kid from Stevenage..... you did know he is British right? He may talk like a Yank but he really isn't..

Vitriolic definition: filled with bitter criticism or malice.

Your criticism of the drivers seems pretty bitter to me.

muzikant · Oct 23, 2018

apex11 said:
Tolman is a fair shout, wet track plus loads dropped out and Monaco is a freak track.

50/50 for me it is the whole package driver and car

Enagee · Oct 23, 2018

Big difference in figures than we have here.......

Racedepartment sim racers

Kimi Raikkonen
315 vote(s)
60.0%
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Max Verstappen
164 vote(s)
31.2%

muzikant · Oct 23, 2018

Max is official in World vote no 1

I vote for Max but Raikkonen on his 39 age... RESPECT!

Fat-Alfie · Oct 23, 2018

Unfortunately, because there are some VERY opinionated MV fans on this forum, who are insistent that he can do no wrong, that he is the messiah, the chosen one of Formula 1, I find it almost impossible to vote for him in a pole like this - sad but true

muzikant · Oct 23, 2018

Fat-Alfie said:
Unfortunately, because there are some VERY opinionated MV fans on this forum, who are insistent that he can do no wrong, that he is the messiah, the chosen one of Formula 1, I find it almost impossible to vote for him in a pole like this - sad but true

And always people complain about Max like you!
Blind for his talent

Or afraid??

For the new generation?

apex11 · Oct 23, 2018

ears said:
Vitriolic definition: filled with bitter criticism or malice.

Your criticism of the drivers seems pretty bitter to me.

Well you must be a snowflake then, easily offended.....

The idea that a person who from the age of 5 has been racing karts then lower formula's then gets into an F1 car and we are somehow meant to be in awe of the simply being able to get the car around a track is demented....
Plenty of footage on youtube of 'normal' people driving F1 cars perfectly fine around a track without the decades of karting and lower formula...
And with Stroll the opportunities he has had, well, he really should be better than he is and one day most likely will get in the right car with a compliant team mate and could start wining races...
I don't hero worship any of them, frankly if to you that makes me a terrible bitter person then, really, so what mate?
I don't know you, you mean nadda to me.... being offended is your problem not mine...

apex11 · Oct 23, 2018

Enagee said:
Big difference in figures than we have here.......

Racedepartment sim racers

Kimi Raikkonen
315 vote(s)
60.0%

*
Max Verstappen
164 vote(s)
31.2%

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12% of people on this thread voted for Lewis who in the best car came 3rd? Sums it up.

Appie Kuipers · Oct 23, 2018

Fat-Alfie said:
Unfortunately, because there are some VERY opinionated MV fans on this forum, who are insistent that he can do no wrong, that he is the messiah, the chosen one of Formula 1, I find it almost impossible to vote for him in a pole like this - sad but true

Max fans just respond on people like you, why can the dutch not be a great fan?, We are not used to have a driver like him, ex F1 drivers see his talent, you don't of won't!

Fat-Alfie · Oct 23, 2018

Yes, I see his talent, but I also see his mistakes (which people like you don't, or won't).

Appie Kuipers · Oct 23, 2018

Fat-Alfie said:
Yes, I see his talent, but I also see his mistakes (which people like you don't, or won't).

I see his mistakes, like Vettel, Stroll, etc,............, But I don't burn anyone down, thats the diffence between you and me!

muzikant · Oct 23, 2018

Fat-Alfie said:
Yes, I see his talent, but I also see his mistakes (which people like you don't, or won't).

Everybody makes mistakes welcome in the real world

muzikant · Oct 23, 2018

Appie Kuipers said:
I see his mistakes, like Vettel, Stroll, etc,............, But I don't burn anyone down, thats the diffence between you and me!

Yepp agree! Its more the Max Hate @ Troll

Reason....? Because Max is World championship matirial. What you want to say... ? And what is your statement there is nothing to say

20 years old fast like hell..... strong mind in all the media bla...... bla... bla..............bla........ Vettel in 30 and Make more mistakes than Max!

ears · Oct 23, 2018

muzikant said:
Yepp agree! Its more the Max Hate @ Troll

Reason....? Because Max is World championship matirial. What you want to say... ? And what is your statement there is nothing to say 20 years old fast like hell..... strong mind in all the media bla...... bla... bla..............bla........ Vettel in 30 and Make more mistakes than Max!

Reason? Because Max is massively overhyped by people like you and people like me are bored of it.

muzikant · Oct 23, 2018

All ex formula one drivers praise him. Most every race With all experience they have about formula 1 racing.... Brundle... Andretti.... Hakinnen... Lauda...Webber...the list is long

Who and what are you to say?

Also afraid about Max?

Max makes the Formula one exited. What I say before new generation is coming. Ocon, Max, Leclerc Maybe to admit.

muzikant · Oct 23, 2018

ears said:
Reason? Because Max is massively overhyped by people like you and people like me are bored of it.

And overhyped is the media not Max himself 2 diferent things my friend

Appie Kuipers · Oct 23, 2018

Very strange these Max discussions, even after his outstanding race in Austin.
Some still forget his 22 podiums, at An age Hamilton had'nt even seen a F1 car!
A great start in F1, and much to come.