As i pointed out i got my eyes on this guy since 2014, so it's not a new thing, it's not because of his most recent "position defense", that's just another one in many...Can you say -- FIA paints drivers how they want people to perceive them? Because, apparently it works. Thought you were talking about Max Verstappen there for a while. Almost changed my "8" vote. Second guess was Nico Rosberg, or the track thugs that patrol the paddock, making it about as accessible as a McLaren P1.
K-Mag was the recipient of probably the worst "penalty" I have ever witnessed in racing. You can almost see the discussion among bureaucrats, which produces nothing, and is full of sound and fury, but no consistency.
Who hasn't gotten away with that so far this season? I don't see you complaining about Perez and Verstappen - in fact, by saying the latter's driving is borderline and actually trying to defend him, you're showing just how ridiculous your argument is, lacking any basis in reality.For me the worst thing is how he keeps getting away with blocking and weaving like crazy down the straights
Vettel should, indeed, get a 12+ for what he's done this season. The car gap is huge yet he's leading the championship on merit and he's bounced back spectacularly from 2016. And to imply that Magnussen isn't talented is to, once again, be ridiculous.If Magnussen gets an 8 what do the actual talented drivers get 13?
Why don't you wait for their respective threads?Who hasn't gotten away with that so far this season? I don't see you complaining about Perez and Verstappen - in fact, by saying his borderline and actually trying to defend him, you're showing just how ridiculous your argument is, lacking any basis in reality.
Vettel should, indeed, get a 12+ for what he's done this season. The car gap is huge yet he's leading the championship on merit.
You were the one who brought up Verstappen as some sort of shining beacon of aggressive greatness relative to Magnussen's filthy driving, after all. And you're out of your mind if you think that drivers shouldn't be compared to others without waiting for the other drivers' threads. None of them are driving in a vacuum like it's a time trial session in Assetto Corsa or something.Why don't you wait for their respective threads?
Then what you think is flat-out wrong. Your last two statements combined are absolutely hilarious. Your bias is showing.BTW i don't think Verstappen is dirty
You were the one who brought up Verstappen as some sort of shining beacon of aggressive greatness relative to Magnussen's filthy driving, after all. And you're out of your mind if you think that drivers shouldn't be compared to others without waiting for the other drivers' threads. None of them are driving in a vacuum like it's a time trial session in Assetto Corsa or something.
Then what you think is flat-out wrong. Your last two statements combined are absolutely hilarious. Your bias is showing.
he can suck my balls
Magnussen on the other hand simply decided he was going to shove Hulkenberg out of the track, he didn't lose control, he simply made a conscious choice of putting somebody out, this conscious choice is the difference between aggressive driving and dirty driving.
I don't consider "lift or crash" a fair driving manouver like some do apparently.Hulkenberg could have liftet on the gaspedal.
We're all entitled to our own opinions luckily Though it's hard racing and it's exciting to watch!I don't consider "lift or crash" a fair driving manouver like some do apparently.
We're all entitled to our own opinions luckily Though it's hard racing and it's exciting to watch!
Lol, sure I'm biased towards Kevin. That however doesn't change my opinion on how I like to race and how I like to watch racing. IMO if you call Sainz and Alonso battle clean, then I can't see how the other isn't clean. The only difference is that Alonso went onto tarmac, and Hulkenberg went onto grass. In both cases they were pushed wide, and in both cases they had the option to back out.I just happen to think a clean battle like Alonso and Sainz had at the same corner is much more exciting than a dirty scumbag pushing someone out, but you guys will stick out for your country man no matter what, so it's a useless discussion.
Lol, sure I'm biased towards Kevin. That however doesn't change my opinion on how I like to race and how I like to watch racing. IMO if you call Sainz and Alonso battle clean, then I can't see how the other isn't clean. The only difference is that Alonso went onto tarmac, and Hulkenberg went onto grass. In both cases they were pushed wide, and in both cases they had the option to back out.
Look at the line Sainz takes at 2:25(same thing between Ericsson and Werhlein later on), he's the guy on the inside and he respects the fact that there's a car alongside him, now compare it to the line Magnussen took. Magnussen failed to respect the car alongside him and that's why he was correctly punished.
Also back out to where since Magnussen (who suppousedly was the guy on the inside) went all the way to the white line? This is happening mid corner Hulkenberg can't simply hit the brakes anytime he wants.
Not to mention forcing a guy to hit the brakes unnecessarily is a universally recognized dirty tactic even if you don't, and dirty strong arming tactics never made for good fair racing.
We're not discussing wether Magnussen pushed Hulkenberg wide or not. Ofcourse he did. What I'm saying is that Hulkenberg is as much at fault for the incident as Magnussen. He could've braked and slotted in behind him again, yet he tries to stick it around the outside, and guess what, magnussen punished him for it. That's the risk you run when going for a move like that. The fact that Sainz and Ericsson didn't defend like Magnussen did, probably boils down to them believing they'd be faster on the inside. Magnussen realised he wouldn't be and defended accordingly. In turn 1 Sainz did the same thing by clearly opening up the steering and pushing Alonso off of the track As I mentioned, same manouver, different corner. Had there been grass on the outside of T1, maybe Alonso would've recognized and hit the brakes
And to say Hulkenberg couldn't brake is BS, ofcourse he could.
Dirty driving always create for interresting racing And an even more interresting aftershow
Hulkenberg tried to do a clean overtake around the outside and dirty scumbag Magnussen pushed him out, how is he at fault?
Alonso went around the outside of Sainz, Werhlein went around the outside Ericsson, a couple of years back Ricciardo went around the outside of Hamilton on that very corner on the way to the race victory, it's a normal racing move unless the guy infront is a dirty scumbag, what's your point here? Hulkenberg is suppoused to know Magnussen is scumbag and just slot behind him because any attempt he makes he's gonna get a scumbag manouver in return? How is that good racing?
You are in a simracing website, fire up a sim and smash the brakes midcorner while you are steering into the corner and see what happens.
There's a reason Magnussen got punished for that, it's because that's not position defense that's straight up dirty driving, and btw defending dirty driving and talking like it's normal makes you just as much of a scumbag as your fellow countryman in my book.
If all you can say is "dirty driving is cool", i think it's time for you to stop bothering me since you can't add anything to a discussion.
Indeed we are on a simracing website, and for sure you can hit the brakes mid-corner..... if you know what you're doing..... And as we're talking f1 drivers, I think they might have a clue. You're obviously sad that your favourite german didn't get to finish the race and look to blame Magnussen for that.
I like the way you say I'm bothering you. If you're bothered by people reacting and replying to your messages in an open forum, what are you doing here then?
Anyway, lets end it because you obviously do not want to recognise what I'm saying. You get to keep your opinion, and I get to keep mine.
Cheers bud, was fun while it lasted!