Chinese Grand Prix: F1 to Revert to 2015 Qualifying Format

[MentalTM]

Ive always tried to get in to F1, but i just feel all the other changes thats been made is killing it. Like others have said, teams with the most money come out top. It just seems so unequal. The racing itself is a procession with only passing made when some goes in to pits or crashes. If you even attempt to pass and make a mistake you are heavily punished for it. Im sorry but Monaco is just a snoozefest.

With F1 moving to Sky TV only, it just means less and less people will watch it, including future fans, journalists, engineers and possible drivers. Its dying and needs someone else in charge to save it

 

[thewarmer]

Bernie, please leave F1! Your retirement is long overdue! How can you NOT consult the teams (or logic, for that matter) when changing a quali format in order to get an idea of what those changes do? Is that's what your level of professionalism amounts to these days - dictatorship, go buy an island and become tribe chief. Thinking how to make more money 100% of the time obviously fcuks up everything else from a point on. Attitude and nerve are among the first affected (see stance after drivers' letter a few weeks back).

And here's another reason why you should leave: SIDING. For having installed a pyramid even in sport, where the playing field should be even. Pathetic. And people wonder why competitivity suffers.


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“So it really wouldn’t make any difference to us who gets that money. No difference at all.

“If it’s shared equally it’s alright. If it’s shared in a way like Ferrari benefit a bit because they’ve been racing a lot longer than anybody else. And in the end, Ferrari is Formula 1, so they should be [paid more].

http://planetf1.com/news/eccesltone-ferrari-deserve-to-be-paid-more/


Top teams ALREADY HAVE top funds. Shouldn't the awards scheme be reversed on its head to level the field? For the sport?

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http://planetf1.com/news/ferrari-cleared-of-using-coded-pitboard-message/

Should we recall what the Schumacher - Ferrari era did to the sport? Can we all look at that objectively?

I seem to remember F1 's qualifying as been a mess since the late 90's partly due to only one team winning & driver winning multiple championships , that's when things really started getting stupid rules wise.

But the same happened across several other Motor sports where drivers or riders won Multiple Championships . That as been a real killer to a lot of motor sports.

Ferrari for all its money as won not a lot since the Schumacher Era but still it consumes the largest part of the cake from F1 .

The Current 21st Century Silver Arrows of Mercedes have replaced Ferrari as the top Team to beat in F1 pretty much the way they did in the 50's History repeating its self there.

I am not sure F1 would die if Ferrari Quit F1 if anything it may turn out better without them in F1 & they could go back to Sports cars racing as Factory team or do Indy cart. lots of other sports have seen big names come & go & carried on fine.

I think losing both the poison Dwarf Bernie& Ferrari would be a good thing & could give the sport a more down to earth instead of it been a mirror of the very Elite & the their hobby racing at weekends.

Most of those who created F1 in the 60's & 70's where not wealthy people but normal people the worked on cars or some line of engineering or avation industries who wanted to build & race cars at the weekend . now it just greed & a playgrounds for the super wealth to pose around in .

 

[jonelsorel]

"Most of those who created F1 in the 60's & 70's where not wealthy people but normal people the worked on cars or some line of engineering or avation industries who wanted to build & race cars at the weekend . now it just greed & a playgrounds for the super wealth to pose around in."

Exactly. And that enthusiasm is far gone from F1.

 

[arniesan]

If you look at Bernies history in motor racing, then you see he has done a lot for the sport.

 

[arniesan]

"Most of those who created F1 in the 60's & 70's where not wealthy people but normal people the worked on cars or some line of engineering or avation industries who wanted to build & race cars at the weekend . now it just greed & a playgrounds for the super wealth to pose around in."

Exactly. And that enthusiasm is far gone from F1.

Let's not forget though that Bernie was there at the time; not rich, just another guy who loved motor racing.

 

[Deleted member 130869]

I seem to remember F1 's qualifying as been a mess since the late 90's partly due to only one team winning & driver winning multiple championships , that's when things really started getting stupid rules wise.

Qualifying changed because even though it was supremely exciting, it was only exciting in the last 5 minutes. 55 minutes would go through and the backmarkers would be the ones doing their laps. The big names waited and only started putting laps with 15 minutes to go, pitting for tires and going for the last few minutes with a couple of laps in a row. It got changed because of TV ratings, so we would be forced to see the entire broadcast.

The nice thing of back in the day was that the little teams did get pretty much uninterrupted 90s of airtime, showing off all sponsors. Now you don't see them combined for even 60s.

 

[paracletus]

Qualifying is largely a non-event even in the q1-q3 format - it's been a 2 horse race for years.
Controversial : no qualifying at all with random grids would result in better races, but that would mean no saturday and a big loss in revenue.
I think the best idea would be to go back to 1 lap for each driver. Quite interesting as conditions play a part.

 

[Omer Said]

Make it a 60 minutes non-stop qualifying. At 20:00 minute mark, eliminate last 6. Then in the 50:00 minute mark, eliminate 6 more. And the last 10 minutes showdown. No breaks or such annoyances. 1 hour action.

 

[Martin Larsen]

Make it a 60 minutes non-stop qualifying. At 20:00 minute mark, eliminate last 6. Then in the 50:00 minute mark, eliminate 6 more. And the last 10 minutes showdown. No breaks or such annoyances. 1 hour action.

Then we would have had a few minutes driving, then everyone waiting in the pit before the elmination to save tires...

 

[TomcatMF]

Someone mentioned the idea of a budget cap, and it made me think of what Major League Baseball is doing in that regard that works quite well. They have a salary cap for the teams, but it is not a hard cap. Teams can spend over the cap, but they get a "tax" on anything over that limit that gets redistributed to the smaller market teams that are under that cap. It has resulted in leveling the field of play so that the smaller market teams (like Kansas City) can compete with big market teams (like New York). The NFL has a salary cap too, but I believe it is a hard cap. This has prevented a single team from dominating for multiple seasons.
F1 needs to do something similar for the sake of the sport, but with the way the agreements are made between the teams, FOM and the FIA I don't think it will ever happen.

 

[Deleted member 130869]

It would be like the MLB giving the Yankees $100 million a year just for being the Yankees, even if the Yankees had gone on a 20-year drought and never really dominated the sport.

 

[Terry Rock]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the 'old' format, that a second additional (free to use for practice OR qualifying only) set of tires couldn't have cured.
Teams want to hold tires in check for the race to allow strategy changes.
They also want to gather as much data about the cars in this era of limited testing.
That extra free set would mean less cars sitting in the pits. They'd run longer to collect that data...without fear of running out of tires for the weekend.
That's a win for the spectators as well.
At the end of the day...and regardless of what Bernie and company think, those are the folks 'driving' sales.
F1 fails to exist, if television advertising dries up.
The people driving those sales are the ones who come to the track when they can but stay home to watch when they can't.
It'd be wise for the FIA and FOM to remember that little tidbit.