@Shane Butler and previously argued by
@David O'Reilly i think
@RoMaN14 just made one very simple very fast and good comparison of how they argue about Vettel these past years. The legs of Usain Bolt are not what car is in F1 of course. Like Shane says thats embodied and its very funny talking for it right now, but i think you missed the point Roman wanted to make, and he made good one. It's the whole package and you cannot say it's the car or this or that. You would say that (its the car) when someone comes and out of nowhere wins and you are amazed? How the hell that happened? Well his car happened! That's how! And you have that talk...
Vettel came around 07 and won points in 8 finishers system! He won in Monza on rain with f*cking Toro Roso, from pole, not by accident but from pole leading every single lap of that race. At that point and being so young i sensed how special he was and he is indeed! And many are not paying attention to it because, you know in 09 he did not fight for Championship but they were still out there racing you know ... and do you know out of Webber and Vettel who was better? Vettel brought 1st pole and victory to them and later first WDC and CC, and adding another 3 in row. Are you aware of how extreme that is??? People on Vettel and Webber only talk from 2010 onwards. Have you erased 2009 or it was not important because Vettel did not won a championship?
It seems people are criticizing him only on being successful. Out of all statistical comparisons between him and his idol Schumi, i think the way people criticizing Vettel just like they were Schumi (for all i know & experienced) is the best comparison and proof that they are pretty much alike! The way once i was debating for Schumi and all those saying it was the car, now i am in the same boots, with different marque, named Vettel this time.
Now back to David.
David i read your text and you seem to be not very well aware of how things were actually ...
Case with Turkish GP? Better fuel or what not? Vettel was always better at it, he Horner might have said anything but doesn't mean one car was on RedBull fuel the other was on Zastava fuel. Vettel using it just was better. But for that case its not hard to be confused you dont know the fuel using rates,
British GP is the opposite!
Do you know what happened? No. RBR had 3 wings out of which 1 was update of the previous 2 but they didnt know how it will work. Webber took the updated wing and tested it but he didnt like it and asked to be removed. When Vettel crashed his that meant only 1 is available and he got the updated one and Webber did not.
What happened is that Webber was right! As experienced in that time, he saw that the updated wing was worse and by using it the old one unlike Seb, he won that race EVEN AFTER his team asked of him not to pass Vettel (something which Vettel will remember and strike back in Malaysia). How is that a status of no.1 driver now you explain to me?
Ill tell you what is the case out of
pure mental state. Webber was
that much frustrated with Vettel that
he asked for whatever he could just to
beat Vettel but he
couldn't Vettel was better. What that means literally is, not that he needed that wing but he used it so he could have a base on which he would cry if he lost. Even though, i repeat even though he was 100% aware that he got the better one!
But people who are not part of the team don't know that. 21 Century. Media/Internet. Webber is the Hero!!!! He knew old one was better and was crying out loud in the media of why Vettel got it and ... AND much more importantly I NEVER EVER READ ANYWHERE OF VETTEL ARGUING OR REPLYING. But okay, again Vettel is the one who cries!!!!
Where is the logic? NOWHERE.
Ricciardo you say beaten everywhere Vettel. Now i start to wonder of, have you ever watched F1 last year? R
icciardo for the 1st time has beaten Vettel IN CHINA. In Malaysia it was pure pace of Vettel that he finished in front Ricciardo who nevertheless of his problems he wouldnt have made a change even if he continued. In Australia Vettel had problems. In Monaco he was far ahead he had problems. In Spa he challenged right away on the start Hamilton but later had problems and he admitted it he couldnt keep up with Ricciardo. In Canada he congratulated Ricciardo right away not making a fuss about it. How that happened? HE KNEW it wasnt up to him but something was wrong with that car.
And he was at peace!
Vettel is the only driver to have started 3 times from the front row. Not Ricciardo
but Vettel.
In Hungary where Ricciardo drove like Giles Villeneuve against Rene Arnoux, Vettel could have won very easily if he was in the right place in the right time. But he wasnt because he was so far ahead that Ricciardo would had needed binoculars to spot him! And, IT WAS RAINING.
When it was raining, you go back to Malaysia. Are you aware of the pure fact that Vettel was amazingly only +0.054 to Hamilton pole time with a car nearly 1.5sec faster per lap at the time? Are you aware of the fact that Ricciardo tried but couldn't match the speed of Vettel in Monza in 2 qualifying laps where Vettel got the better out of only one single run in the session? Vettel in a one single lap would, if you say Ricciardo trashed Vettel, i'd say he would wipe the floor with him day and night....every time they meet and are problem free... (its just the same magnitude of how you present Ricciardo season over Vettel) [Statistical info: Ricciardo was only 71 points ahead of Vettel with only 3 wins making it 75 which means even without victory Vettel in other races, even that he had three times more problems than Ricciardo, stole 4 points + a race he could have won it, Hungary where SC was deployed and changed everything] Are you still that much sure of Ricciardo beating Vettel if Vettel had just, slightly slightly better, reliable car? Not better, but better to his likes.
However i totally agree with you on the matter that you mentioned of how when he loses we make it look like it this or that and when he wins is up to him. Even though Ferrari had said this year "if Vettel is slow its not him but our car" ... is a solid ground on which you can say the same for 2014 Vettel season, but i wont go that far...even though i am Vettel fan. AND I said it twice by now that Ricciardo was better because he was. Thats reality. We all saw it. But its also very important of WHY and HOW.
He was the best driver of the season. The wonderkid. The epic new discovered racer. Vettel was against him.
Not Alonso, not Hamilton not Kimi not Button and what happened? Vettel in share pace was faster. You cannot deny that.
About the car, why and how? Ricciardo, he came from shitty ToroRoso and Vettel had to adapt on a much much slower and car not reliable on the technology he used it the year before. Tyres? He was killing them. In Monza just to remind you Vettel was running 5th at the time and Ricciardo was running 12. How on Earth with new tyres he suddenly caught Vettel and passed him so easily for 5th place? I really think they have perhaps put some more powerful engine on his side i am almost but sure of it no matter how insane that sounds. If not that then why Vettel didnt had similar strategy?
The way you say Ricciardo beat Vettel is 100% like he is god and he is not. The sole domination over Vettel was very simple and i am 200% that it would have been the total opposite in the next year if Vettel stayed. And this is as much i am going to say on this matter.
This is thread for Malaysia
