2014 Formula One Monaco Grand Prix
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Dux
Simracer since 99 / 3D Engineer & Game Developer
1st - montage
2nd - great showcase of a driver that has a brain of a computer, unlike others
3rd - why people say he is whining when he asks for his teammate to be moved? Moved, why moved? Because in Red Bull they clearly said no overtakings, but Vettel is faster. Why the hell he wouldnt say that? So they can be aware of what he is planing?
People are hard, i know that, so these videos are nothing but very normal situations, their titles totally hilarious, especially the first one
2nd - great showcase of a driver that has a brain of a computer, unlike others
3rd - why people say he is whining when he asks for his teammate to be moved? Moved, why moved? Because in Red Bull they clearly said no overtakings, but Vettel is faster. Why the hell he wouldnt say that? So they can be aware of what he is planing?
People are hard, i know that, so these videos are nothing but very normal situations, their titles totally hilarious, especially the first one
Why are you trying to reason with a perfect example of a fanboy?
Personally, I'm loving the mishaps RBR have had this year. Regression toward the mean.
Dux
Simracer since 99 / 3D Engineer & Game Developer
Dux
Simracer since 99 / 3D Engineer & Game Developer
May 26 (GMM) Niki Lauda has scolded Lewis Hamilton for not congratulating teammate Nico Rosberg after his second consecutive Monaco win on Sunday.
As their clash for the 2014 title exploded in dramatic style in the Principality, 2008 world champion declared his friendship with German Rosberg is over.
But it seems the breakdown is over more than just Rosberg's qualifying 'mistake' that cost Hamilton a shot at pole position on Saturday.
It emerges that Hamilton used a higher 'engine mode' - that Mercedes specifically told him not to use - en route to victory in Barcelona two weeks ago.
"We were told that we had to stay in a certain mode," Hamilton confirmed on Sunday. "Nico did it in Bahrain and I did it in Barcelona."
Team chairman Niki Lauda said the matter is now closed, because Hamilton apologised after Barcelona.
"In the last couple of races we had some little fouls left and right," said team boss Toto Wolff. "This is not happening ever again."
There is no doubt that Hamilton is most upset about qualifying in Monaco, even though the stewards looked at the data and did not find that Rosberg made his mistake on purpose.
"I wish you could have seen the data," the fuming Hamilton told reporters in Monaco. "I saw something late last night, and all I could do was smile."
The big risk within the Brackley camp is that the rivalry will now spiral out of control, perhaps in an explosion of carbon fibre pieces.
Lauda vowed to sort it out before the next race.
"I will go there in Montreal or before, and meet them or Lewis in this case and say 'what is the problem'," the great Austrian said.
Lauda said Hamilton is clearly a "very emotional" character in general, but he said treating Rosberg disrespectfully was not appropriate on Sunday.
"That Lewis did not shake his hand is not in order," he told Germany's Sport Bild.
"He should congratulate Nico, because Nico always did it to him, even hugged him in Bahrain where they were both really fighting each other," Lauda added.
At the same time, Lauda said Hamilton does not need to be a 'nice guy'.
In fact, "You have to be a bastard if you want to win in formula one, no question.
"Tell me one nice guy out there -- do we start with Fernando Alonso?
"The tension is building up, no question," Lauda continued, "but we have to make sure that the team doesn't get out of hand. So if they don't say hello in the morning any more, it's out of hand."
Without a doubt, Hamilton is no longer saying hello. But Lauda thinks the Briton's mood will change soon.
"Hopefully he will make a good party with (girlfriend) Nicole, I will speak to him tomorrow and I guarantee you it will be fixed. We are going to work it out."
Almost certainly, Lauda knows he is under pressure from fellow team chiefs Paddy Lowe and Toto Wolff to sort it out before a range of 'team orders' are strictly imposed in order to control the driver duo.
Wolff admitted: "The moment it goes in the direction where we believe it is not in the spirit of Mercedes-Benz, we will act accordingly.
"We are racers. We want our drivers to race," he told Welt am Sonntag newspaper. "But there are certain limits to which they must adhere."
Lauda knows exactly what 'hating' a teammate feels like.
"I had nothing against (Alain) Prost personally -- he was complicated but a nice guy. Nevertheless, I hated him and kept all the information from him. I told my engineers not to say anything to him."
Wolff likened an inter-team championship battle to two men fighting over "the same woman".
"In that situation there's no friendship," he is quoted by Bild newspaper.
Dieter Zetsche, the chairman of Mercedes parent Daimler, agreed that Hamilton and Rosberg should be free to wage their battles, even though imposing 'team orders' would mean less 'grey hairs' for the management.
"This is exactly what the viewers want to see," he said. "The worst thing would be nice team orders with one behind the other.
"Ultimately, we have to be honest -- the people are interested in the brands but they care more about the people. They want to see them fight each other.
"Now we have these two young men against each other in a great car, and this is the most beautiful thing that racing can provide," added Zetsche.
As their clash for the 2014 title exploded in dramatic style in the Principality, 2008 world champion declared his friendship with German Rosberg is over.
But it seems the breakdown is over more than just Rosberg's qualifying 'mistake' that cost Hamilton a shot at pole position on Saturday.
It emerges that Hamilton used a higher 'engine mode' - that Mercedes specifically told him not to use - en route to victory in Barcelona two weeks ago.
"We were told that we had to stay in a certain mode," Hamilton confirmed on Sunday. "Nico did it in Bahrain and I did it in Barcelona."
Team chairman Niki Lauda said the matter is now closed, because Hamilton apologised after Barcelona.
"In the last couple of races we had some little fouls left and right," said team boss Toto Wolff. "This is not happening ever again."
There is no doubt that Hamilton is most upset about qualifying in Monaco, even though the stewards looked at the data and did not find that Rosberg made his mistake on purpose.
"I wish you could have seen the data," the fuming Hamilton told reporters in Monaco. "I saw something late last night, and all I could do was smile."
The big risk within the Brackley camp is that the rivalry will now spiral out of control, perhaps in an explosion of carbon fibre pieces.
Lauda vowed to sort it out before the next race.
"I will go there in Montreal or before, and meet them or Lewis in this case and say 'what is the problem'," the great Austrian said.
Lauda said Hamilton is clearly a "very emotional" character in general, but he said treating Rosberg disrespectfully was not appropriate on Sunday.
"That Lewis did not shake his hand is not in order," he told Germany's Sport Bild.
"He should congratulate Nico, because Nico always did it to him, even hugged him in Bahrain where they were both really fighting each other," Lauda added.
At the same time, Lauda said Hamilton does not need to be a 'nice guy'.
In fact, "You have to be a bastard if you want to win in formula one, no question.
"Tell me one nice guy out there -- do we start with Fernando Alonso?
"The tension is building up, no question," Lauda continued, "but we have to make sure that the team doesn't get out of hand. So if they don't say hello in the morning any more, it's out of hand."
Without a doubt, Hamilton is no longer saying hello. But Lauda thinks the Briton's mood will change soon.
"Hopefully he will make a good party with (girlfriend) Nicole, I will speak to him tomorrow and I guarantee you it will be fixed. We are going to work it out."
Almost certainly, Lauda knows he is under pressure from fellow team chiefs Paddy Lowe and Toto Wolff to sort it out before a range of 'team orders' are strictly imposed in order to control the driver duo.
Wolff admitted: "The moment it goes in the direction where we believe it is not in the spirit of Mercedes-Benz, we will act accordingly.
"We are racers. We want our drivers to race," he told Welt am Sonntag newspaper. "But there are certain limits to which they must adhere."
Lauda knows exactly what 'hating' a teammate feels like.
"I had nothing against (Alain) Prost personally -- he was complicated but a nice guy. Nevertheless, I hated him and kept all the information from him. I told my engineers not to say anything to him."
Wolff likened an inter-team championship battle to two men fighting over "the same woman".
"In that situation there's no friendship," he is quoted by Bild newspaper.
Dieter Zetsche, the chairman of Mercedes parent Daimler, agreed that Hamilton and Rosberg should be free to wage their battles, even though imposing 'team orders' would mean less 'grey hairs' for the management.
"This is exactly what the viewers want to see," he said. "The worst thing would be nice team orders with one behind the other.
"Ultimately, we have to be honest -- the people are interested in the brands but they care more about the people. They want to see them fight each other.
"Now we have these two young men against each other in a great car, and this is the most beautiful thing that racing can provide," added Zetsche.
Uh... because Vettel isn't a whiner.
Chris Jenkins
Driving til the wheels fall off
Didn't he whine yesterday when his car broke again?
Didn't you hear the part where he acknowledged that the team were doing their best? Hamilton would never do that. "It's all about me me me"
For those 3 you were able to find, you'd probably find 100 for Hamilton.
EDIT: In fact, in all 3 he had a valid point. That was not whining as such, more like stating his case.
Nothing compared to Hamilton bitching to his own team and trying to blame them for something sinister, and asking for more information the one lap, and then telling his team to shut up so he can concentrate the next.
Emerson Meyer
Keep Fighting
Vettel fans only?
Tell me how many times Vettel, or any other "psychologically normal" pilot said anything like that:
“I don’t know if Senna and Prost talked about it but I quite liked the way Senna dealt with that so I’ll take a page out of his book.”
Dux
Simracer since 99 / 3D Engineer & Game Developer
For those 3 you were able to find, you'd probably find 100 for Hamilton.
EDIT: In fact, in all 3 he had a valid point. That was not whining as such, more like stating his case.
Nothing compared to Hamilton bitching to his own team and trying to blame them for something sinister, and asking for more information the one lap, and then telling his team to shut up so he can concentrate the next.
All i wanted to say you said it in a much better way, thank you for that!
Kevin Ascher
#47 Roaring Pipes Maniacs
For those 3 you were able to find, you'd probably find 100 for Hamilton.
EDIT: In fact, in all 3 he had a valid point. That was not whining as such, more like stating his case.
Nothing compared to Hamilton bitching to his own team and trying to blame them for something sinister, and asking for more information the one lap, and then telling his team to shut up so he can concentrate the next.
Agree, you could have found 5 bits like that for Hamilton just in the team radio which was put into the world feed yesterday!
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must admit i'm quite surprised Raikonnen didn't get a penalty for causing a collision with Magnussen at Turn 6 (the hairpin). the incident wasn't even investigated.
and then we had i think it was Bianchi who hit one of the Caterhams (i think Kobayashi) at Rascasse three times in one go and that wasn't investigated either. seems the stewards were sleeping for most of the race ...
here's video of the Marussia vs Caterham incident, starts at around 0:30 seconds in:
and then we had i think it was Bianchi who hit one of the Caterhams (i think Kobayashi) at Rascasse three times in one go and that wasn't investigated either. seems the stewards were sleeping for most of the race ...
here's video of the Marussia vs Caterham incident, starts at around 0:30 seconds in:
Note that I didn't claim Hamilton doesn't whine, in fact I felt a bit embarrased on his behalf during the race yesterday and I have done before on similar occasions, I just find it hilarious that Vettel fans take stabs at Hamilton for whining, when I don't think the guy is one bit better.
You can go on tangents telling me how Vettel had a point in this or that or how it is different with him, but to me it's no different at all, bar that at least I admit that my fav driver is a whiner
You can go on tangents telling me how Vettel had a point in this or that or how it is different with him, but to me it's no different at all, bar that at least I admit that my fav driver is a whiner
Yeah you're right, I've never heard Hamilton praise his team... ever...........
/sarcasm
Sweet jesus, the comments I've read here. You're complaining about Vettel/Hamilton whining? What makes you think/know that you wouldn't be the exact same? Some people seem to think as though they are justified to criticise the skill or personality of F1 drivers. That is the absolute epitome of irony.
Kevin Ascher
#47 Roaring Pipes Maniacs
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Hehehe. The irony of this post...
Yes criticizing a driver is ok with me. But what I reading in this thread goes a bit to far to my liking.
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