It was the same thing last year, though ironically it was Rosberg who was held up 
2013 Formula One Monaco Grand Prix
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I don´t think it´s that clear cut.
If you were to strap in Nico in last years Mclaren i doubt he would be able to do the same because the cars are setup completely different.
Mclaren very front end oriented car with the rear a little bit looser and at Mercedes it´s the other way around, very solid rear end.
If you run one set for years you´ll start to get very good at it.
One example is the downshifting. Lewis has never in his career downshifted like that.
It´s not easy jumping from car to car. It takes time to really get in the groove.
Especially when your teammate has run the same car for three years with the same DNA and is not exactly a slouch over a lap.
With that said, not taking anything away from Nico but i don´t think it´s that clear cut.
It just looks worse with the fact that they are chasing poles.
Looking at the stats it looks like this,
Average qualifying position
HAM - 2.66
ROS - 3.16
Team mate comparison (average) Up to Spain so with Nico´s Monaco gap of 0.091 to Hamilton the number below should be a tiny bit smaller.
HAM -0.189s
Great job for mercedes,we will see if tomorrow finally the tyres in Monaco do a good job. Lucky Raikkonen for 2 mil. ahead Alonso.
But you need to remember that in Malaysia Lewis was 0.8 secs faster than Nico because of the changing conditions, it would've been much closer otherwise.
I just believe Hamilton has been hyped up far too much, he is very good but not as good as Raikkonen, Vettel and Alonso.
What!
Hamilton was kind of beating Alonso in 2007 and they were team mates, not to mention Hamilton was a rookie that year.....
Hamilton is by far not an over hyped driver, on the other hand Rosberg is by far an underrated driver and is finally getting some recognition.
People regularly call him the 'fastest man in F1' yet has been outqualified 3 times in a row by his teammate. Schumacher beat Rosberg regularly in Quali last year so I wonder what he would do to Hamilton this year.
Ok so Hamilton drove in the dry and Rosberg was the only guy running in changing conditions?
Both ran in changing conditions in Australia as well, and to some extent Monaco too.
People get locked into the fact that Rosberg has taken three poles (which is amazing of course) but if you really break it down, up to this point, Hamilton has been the faster man on average in Qualifying.
And they don´t call him that because they all just made it up.
You have for example F1´s main driver coach who´s trained nearly every driver on the grid saying that Kimi and Hamilton are the two fastest guys in F1 today.
Kimi over a race distance and Hamilton over one lap.
Funny you mention Schumacher.
Average Q time between them last year was Schumi -0.192s
Quite similar to Hamilton up to this point.
But Rosberg had a slightly higher qualifying position 9.4 vs Schumi´s 9.65
10-10 was the score at the end of the season... atleast look up the numbers before talking nonsense.
I´ll give you my house if you once manage to post in the appropriate section.
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Sector times from Monaco.
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Whoever is second into T1 will play supporting role.
Maybe this is the time for Hamilton to pay back his dues to Rosberg?
- 19.343 - Rosberg
- 19.402 - Vettel
- 19.457 - Webber
- 19.580 - Hamilton +0.237s
- 19.600 - Raikkonen
- 34.295 - Hamilton
- 34.370 - Vettel
- 34.407 - Rosberg +0.112s
- 34.483 - Webber
- 34.746 - Raikkonen
- 20.092 - Hamilton
- 20.124 - Rosberg +0.032s
- 20.192 - Webber
- 20.202 - Vettel
- 20.207 - Alonso
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Whoever is second into T1 will play supporting role.
Maybe this is the time for Hamilton to pay back his dues to Rosberg?
so what makes you say he's not as good as them 3? really interested to see how you formed that opinion
I would call 1/2 times regular
so what makes you say he's not as good as them 3? really interested to see how you formed that opinion
As you said,it's an opinion. They're in different cars so it's hard to tell and I do feel Hamilton has the pace to keep up with them but I don't think he can do it as consistently as them.
Then i assume it´s fair to say Hamilton is beating Rosberg "regularly" as well then since it´s 3-3?I would call 1/2 times regular
I´m not even sure you look up anything before posting replies.
What I find funny is people assuming many things out of a single qualifying session.
Seems the main issue for Hamilton when moving to Mercedes is the braking.
Braking is one of his strong points as can be seen quite a lot in GP2 Turkey race.
Also remember either on this forum or another from a person who went to the Brazilian GP and sat at T4 and said Lewis was simply mighty on the brakes there.
Braking is one of his strong points as can be seen quite a lot in GP2 Turkey race.
Also remember either on this forum or another from a person who went to the Brazilian GP and sat at T4 and said Lewis was simply mighty on the brakes there.
It's different though, the Schumacher/Rosberg result is over the course of a season; Hamilton/Rosberg is only over 6 races.
All the more reason for Hamilton to catch up and dominate Rosberg or the other way around....
With other words, we should draw conclusions before the season is over.
With other words, we should draw conclusions before the season is over.
Well, Schumacher out-qualified Rosberg 3-2 in last year's first six races ( Schumacher never set a Q3 time in Spain so can't be counted).
So what?
It´s already been established that Hamilton on average is quicker in the Mercedes (so far)
And have higher grid position average then Rosberg.
The thing is you are focused on the fact that it´s been a fight with poles.
I bet if Alonso and Massa fought for poles the time when Massa outqualified Alonso 3 or 4 times in a row you would have used the same logic (or lack of) in your argument.
Your posts either contradicts themselves or the very same words have totally different meaning depending on who we are discussing.
And the occasional "but it was changing conditions!" like it wasn´t equal terms for everyone.
That's just not true! As we seen today, if someone starts a timed lap 30 seconds after another driver, they have a big advantage like Di Resta and Maldonado who were setting fastest laps.
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