Monza Qualification report: http://www.racedepartment.com/2013/09/red-bull-front-row-in-monza/
2013 Formula One Italian Grand Prix
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Very fair, to be honest. Not a fan of Hamilton, but he didn't get a fair chance in the middle of when it all was happening.
Not fair, it should be 10 Places, to be honest!
How abaout five then? 
He was a bit too slow into Parabolica (I guess he misjudged the distance to Hamilton because he was still pretty far back when Sutil breaked for the corner), but everything after that wasn't his fault. He was on a hot lap, he had a right to keep his place into T1 even if it ruins Hamilton's lap. So 3 places seems fair to me.
It's only 3 places because the FIA's rules state that that sort of incident would merit a 3-Grid Penalty, it's not because 3 Places is their decision, other the Penalty would be higher.
Then why did you make that post in the first place?
Also: The rules allow the FIA to do whatever they want.
Then why did you make that post in the first place?
Also: The rules allow the FIA to do whatever they want.
I said in my opinion, that it should be a 10 Place Penalty (exaggerating slightly, that would be 24th, not enough cars!). And i'm not the only one with that opinion
.And the FIA claimed that it was unintentional, though we think otherwise
Calum McLure
Did ye, aye?
When you're starting a hot lap at Monza would you not take Parabolica flat out for the best exit speed?
To me it didn't make sense Sutil slowing down at that point on the track unless he was going to pull into the pits.
I never watched all of quali so I didn't notice what other drivers were doing at that point so I might just be talking crap
To me it didn't make sense Sutil slowing down at that point on the track unless he was going to pull into the pits.
I never watched all of quali so I didn't notice what other drivers were doing at that point so I might just be talking crap
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When you're starting a hot lap at Monza would you not take Parabolica flat out for the best exit speed?
To me it didn't make sense him slowing down at that point on the track unless he was going to pull into the pits.
I never watched all of quali so I didn't notice what other drivers were doing at that point so I might just be talking crap
If you're talking about Sutil, you're right. He intentionally blocked Hamilton, in my opinion
Calum McLure
Did ye, aye?
If you're talking about Sutil, you're right. He intentionally blocked Hamilton, in my opinion
Yeah I meant Sutil
i am trying not to take either side in this one. i tried to take the view that sutil was just lining up a hotlap, but like calum says, he wouldn't slow down at that point in parabolica. also, sutil was not doing a hotlap judging by the way he entered and exited turn 1. he's a bit of a nutcase if you ask me. leopards rarely change their spots
Ah, we're getting somewhere. You could have just pointed out that's your reasoning.And the FIA claimed that it was unintentional, though we think otherwise
However, in response to that (as well as Andrew): We've discussed this multiple times. It's not possible to punish a driver based on a guess of what might have been his reason for doing something. Maldonado's move on Perez in Practice last year, his spat with Hamilton at Spa, etc. etc. Everytime a driver who could potentially have an ulterior motive for causing an incident with someone, people are crying for blood. However, the fact that you can't dole out punishment based on a hunch doesn't change.
I does make sense: You compromise your entry speed in order to get earlier on the power and maximize your exit. It is not the fastest way around the corner and therefore not done in the race, but it is usefull if you are about to start a hotlap.To me it didn't make sense Sutil slowing down at that point on the track unless he was going to pull into the pits.
I never watched all of quali so I didn't notice what other drivers were doing at that point so I might just be talking crap
Prove it.But it was intentional, plus you're a German
To be fair in my opinion Maldonado shoould have been penalised both times and did far worse (using the car as a weapon instead of just impeding) but sadly the stewards couldn't find any evidence for that.
You can't possibly say Sutil did it on purpose because they both have a history outside of F1. Why would Sutil intentionally damage his onw qualifing? Is know every incident intentionally because not all drivers like each other?
And being part of the same 80-million population as the person in question precludes me from being objective?But it was intentional, plus you're a German
It obviously does
Hulkenberg keeps showing his talent, and a third is good exposure for Sauber after a pretty bad season. Tomorrow's race will probably be an "easy" win for Vettel, but there should be plenty of action behind there (or so I hope).
Hulkenberg keeps showing his talent, and a third is good exposure for Sauber after a pretty bad season. Tomorrow's race will probably be an "easy" win for Vettel, but there should be plenty of action behind there (or so I hope).
Maldonado should have been penalised, yes perhaps, but we're talking about a different incident here. We might need to see a Sutil interview about it too see how he interpreted it.
I have a feeling that Vettel is not going to win today...
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