2012 Red Bull RB8

Markus Neumann · Mar 6, 2012

Well, Ferrari had a very similar problem with this idea and they aren't exactly cavemen either.

It is so often assumed that Adrian Newey succeeds with whatever he tries, but evidently even he can't break the laws of physics...

Hampus Andersson · Mar 6, 2012

Obviously not..
But Very rarely have you seen Newey in the last 3 years develop stuff that does not work.
RBR have probably the best correllation between Simulator/CFD/Wind Tunnel/real life.

So it is without a doubt odd that this piece, such a substantial one did not work as planned.
I do however don´t think this is the last thing we will see of it.
They shot themselves in the foot by introducing it this late. Some small tweaks and more practice and i´m sure we will see it again.
On paper it is way better then the blowing of wishbones/monkey seat.

Edit: Ferrari´s solution was not to seal of the diffuser, it was to blow the rear brake duct fins.
Much more advanced and harder to do considering the tire, brake duct etc.
Getting downforce on an unsprung is a pretty good idea but a bit ambitious.

cruyff · Mar 6, 2012

Rear wing looks fantastic.
Irrelevant question: Hampus where do you find all these pics?!

Hampus Andersson · Mar 6, 2012

cruyff said:
Rear wing looks fantastic.
Irrelevant question: Hampus where do you find all these pics?!

F1Technical

Hampus Andersson · Mar 7, 2012

Seems they will run the updated exhaust layout in Oz afterall.

Meanwhile, Red Bull team boss Christian Horner told BBC radio on Wednesday that the team will take its updated car to Melbourne, despite its reliability and apparent handling problems at the final Barcelona test.
Team advisor Helmut Marko bluntly described the final day of pre-season testing, when Sebastian Vettel did a paltry 23 laps and was dead-last, as “****”, but said “sufficient” data was collected the day earlier by Mark Webber.
http://www.forumula1.com/2012/f1/f1...eed:+Forumula1-News+(Forumula1.net+-+F1+News)

cruyff · Mar 8, 2012

I'm sure the RB8 is going to be top-tier but how are you sure it's going to be the best car? McLaren seems to be in top shape too.

Hampus Andersson · Mar 8, 2012

Obviously nobody know that right now but it looks like a really good car if you watch video on it.
Mclaren looks good to but i think initially RBR will still be slightly ahead.

I have actually tipped Hamilton for the win this year

GAIAjohan · Mar 8, 2012

Craig Scarborough ‏ @ScarbsF1
Interesting observation from Giorgio Piola in @AUTOSPORTdigi that the RBR rear wing has extra slots underneath it. which IMO is not legal ?

Craig Scarborough ‏ @ScarbsF1
Article 3.10.1 in the tech regs demands a minimum radius of 100mm on the rear wing surface, preventing slots such as those on the RB8 wing

Hampus Andersson · Mar 12, 2012

RBR bringing an entirely new aero package to Oz

Newey has been at it again

check out the state-of-the-art front wing!!

Chris Jenkins · Mar 13, 2012

Hampus, where are the pictures from? They don't show up on my work computer

Hampus Andersson · Mar 13, 2012

Chris Jenkins said:
Hampus, where are the pictures from? They don't show up on my work computer

F1Technical

Ferrari landed yesterday, honestly there´s not much to see apart from an F1 car dismantled and packaged in nicely looking like a box pretty much

Chris Jenkins · Mar 13, 2012

Can you link? I can't find it

Kennett Ylitalo · Mar 13, 2012

http://i43.tinypic.com/209h6aa.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/acq6ux.jpg

Chris Jenkins · Mar 13, 2012

And there was me thinking that Hampus's post was serious! lol

Diego Lopez · Mar 13, 2012

well lets hope they dont win at all. even tho i dont mind mr. Webber.

ufunacaoenn · Mar 14, 2012

For those of you who would like to see more of the exhaust theori of Red Bull.

Here is a great link: http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2012/0/940.html

Kennett Ylitalo · Mar 14, 2012

So i was right, the exhaust gases are directed inwards, not outwards. But i have to wonder what those winglets in the brakeduct is for... Maybe some of the under-the-sidepod airflow is aimed at them. IMHO, those winglets are illegal but suppose it's another loophole..

Hampus Andersson · Mar 14, 2012

That's from F1.com?

They also featured the Ferrari with wings as the car Ferrari would introduce.

Ask Scarbs and see what he says.

Kennett Ylitalo · Mar 14, 2012

Nothing in Scarbs blog suggests that this ain't the case, i do read it very now and then... And what i see on that F1.com drawing is the second version, the same we are talking about.. I only saw noticed brake duct winglets in Sky F1 show but after reviewing past posts it in here too:

Image source: http://www.racedepartment.com/forum/threads/red-bull-rb8.46911/page-5#post-1075902

Hampus Andersson · Mar 14, 2012

He´s active on twitter as well.

He was asked that question and he responded "That´s exactly what it does"

Red Bull wants to close off the diffuser as much as possible because if you can do that you will gain the most from it.

If you look at the body work and the slight bend in the exhaust path you can see a clear line where the exhausts are ment to go at a certain speed.