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1.3 AI issues
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It is odd that there are big differences in peoples' experience with the AI. Many times, if I'm taken off it was because I was too slow or hit the brakes too early and a human would have taken me off in the same situation. I just don't see the AI taking each other out and gt3 racing seems particularly clean to me.
Hopefully, we can get AI we can all enjoy racing at some point but AI will always have limits in simulating human behaviour - racing ain't easy. If you realise how many calculations we make every single second judging relative speeds, anticipating moves and being aware of potential mistakes as well as driving a physics based car, you'll realise how big a task it is for a programmer. Hats off to any that try. I think Kunos have done a very good job and I know they'll keep improving because this is their passion too.
Hopefully, we can get AI we can all enjoy racing at some point but AI will always have limits in simulating human behaviour - racing ain't easy. If you realise how many calculations we make every single second judging relative speeds, anticipating moves and being aware of potential mistakes as well as driving a physics based car, you'll realise how big a task it is for a programmer. Hats off to any that try. I think Kunos have done a very good job and I know they'll keep improving because this is their passion too.
I'm not making this stuff up man 
At Nordschleife, at 98% difficulty, AI is crashing themselves at Adenau, and when I try to avoid them they make "strange" return to the track, and when I catch up with the damaged AI car, it wants to kill me when I try to overtake it. And this is just one scenario. GT3 class mainly, I do not race so often other classes, but its happening. I strongly suggest Kunos to revise the AI behaviour and make it at least functional. They have done a very good job with all other aspects of the game, but AI sucks
At Nordschleife, at 98% difficulty, AI is crashing themselves at Adenau, and when I try to avoid them they make "strange" return to the track, and when I catch up with the damaged AI car, it wants to kill me when I try to overtake it. And this is just one scenario. GT3 class mainly, I do not race so often other classes, but its happening. I strongly suggest Kunos to revise the AI behaviour and make it at least functional. They have done a very good job with all other aspects of the game, but AI sucks
^ He did not say you were making stuff up. He just said it was strange that people have such different experiences.
Just had a test race with GT3s at Nords (on 98% so I waved them off early on and watched the replay after I limped home) and they made Adenau fine (the Huracan had a bit of a wobble but no dramas).
But, the SGC lost it in Tiergaten (went slightly off track) and took out an Audi to its left before both of them plowed into the side of the GT-R ahead as they couldn't slow down.
An AI mistake which snowballed isn't necessarily bad AI, though. Never making mistakes is bad AI.
There are problems when AI goes off track, it ain't perfect - but it doesn't suck, in my experience - look at Gran Turismo (a series I used to love) for AI that sucks - no joy, no mistakes, no overtakes - utter crap from a company investing millions - haven't played Froza or P Cars but from what I hear, their huge budgets have failed to produce 21st century AI.
As Michael said, I don't think you're making up what you have seen - but you may be over doing it by saying the AI outright sucks.
But, the SGC lost it in Tiergaten (went slightly off track) and took out an Audi to its left before both of them plowed into the side of the GT-R ahead as they couldn't slow down.
An AI mistake which snowballed isn't necessarily bad AI, though. Never making mistakes is bad AI.
There are problems when AI goes off track, it ain't perfect - but it doesn't suck, in my experience - look at Gran Turismo (a series I used to love) for AI that sucks - no joy, no mistakes, no overtakes - utter crap from a company investing millions - haven't played Froza or P Cars but from what I hear, their huge budgets have failed to produce 21st century AI.
As Michael said, I don't think you're making up what you have seen - but you may be over doing it by saying the AI outright sucks.
"But, the SGC lost it in Tiergaten (went slightly off track) and took out an Audi to its left before both of them plowed into the side of the GT-R ahead as they couldn't slow down."
"An AI mistake which snowballed isn't necessarily bad AI"
You've proven me that I am wrong. The AI is actually fine, so what if they crash and "snowball" all the time, its not bad at all They are simulating some wild stuff, thats all :-D
I rest my case.
"An AI mistake which snowballed isn't necessarily bad AI"
You've proven me that I am wrong. The AI is actually fine, so what if they crash and "snowball" all the time, its not bad at all
They are simulating some wild stuff, thats all :-DI rest my case.
My mistake, was trying to have a conversation about our experiences of AI, I forgot I'm dealing with 'the Internet' where balanced discussions are taken outside and shot.
I never said I was trying to prove you wrong but maybe I should be more selective and stick with statements like "they crash all the time", "I can't finish a lap" and "they are trying to kill me" and then completely ignore anything that doesn't support my world view. Are you a tabloid journalist? Murdoch would be proud. As would Hex.
I never said I was trying to prove you wrong but maybe I should be more selective and stick with statements like "they crash all the time", "I can't finish a lap" and "they are trying to kill me" and then completely ignore anything that doesn't support my world view. Are you a tabloid journalist? Murdoch would be proud. As would Hex.
Well, maybe we can agree that the AI needs further development
I'm undecided on picking up ac but reading things like this makes me want to wait till they sort the ai out
I'm really liking rf2 now for offline. The ai seems great to me... I don't want to spend 35 quid to be annoyed by the ai. I wish I could try this out and decide for myself but from what I have read I think I will wait to see where the ai goes. Gotta say it looks gorgeous. Just watched a vid from zandvoort.... Gorgeous!
This is my biggest annoyance with raceroom!
Tobbe Bergman
@Simberia
Well I can tell you from my experience the AI sucks so bad, I begin to think its some kind of a conspiracy theory, like they did it intentionally
Strange !
I have done several races with GT3 cars full grid @ 90 - 100 % and I could have sworn it was humans I was racing.
They do occasionally take me out from behind but after 1.3.4 not so much.
Completely agree, just finished a GT3 race and for the first time a really enjoyable race. AI drive more realistically, as a recently posted video shows. When I race online I have more problems with humans than anything else.
Tobbe Bergman
@Simberia
It's a real nice feeling when you forget that you're NOT racing humans !
I prefer racing good AI and I had more good AI races than human races
"People are people, and they are basically bad"
-Frank Zappa
Yeah, I think its strange too, I think I'm racing humans too, and they dont leave a gentleman impression at all
Look, in my case the AI at 98% behaves strange. I drive mainly Nords (endurance), at the beginning of Fuchsrohre, one or two cars usually makes a full stop, the others will hit them, and when I slow down, the ones behind me crash into me, and if I make it alive, at the Adenau AI makes some strange mistakes, trying to avoid them is really tough so if I make it through Adenau I usually can drive to the finish and win the race
I have great memories with AI racing on GTR evo, which was really awesome comparing to the Assetto Corsas AI. Assetto Corsa is a great simulator at the moment, I only do drive Assetto Corsa, but AI currently has some issues and that is a fact.
