WATCH: Nordschleife Comparison In GT7, Forza, Rennsport & ACC

The best version is in Automobilista 2. Why is it not added?

gamma123152 said:

The best version is in Automobilista 2. Why is it not added?

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I quite like that one myself, especially at dawn and dusk.
The idea here was to have the same car/track combo, which isn't possible in AMS2 unfortunately - yet.

Which version do I prefer you asked?
Well let see, that is a hard one.
Here we go.
I do not have a console so GT7 is out!
I drive in VR so Forza is out!
Rennsport does not run well on my set up and VR is embryonic at this beta stage, so out!
Definitely prefer ACC over the other 3,

iRacing?

AC version is still very nice with CSP, CF1 skins and Pyver extenstions(to make it look like 2024 version of track). i still prefer it over ACC version in many ways as AC has a better physics engine and you can drive manual shift cars instead of every car being paddle shift and easy to drive. (photo on my mid spec machine with dash currently not working on my audi).

The rFactor 2 version

The GT7 version looks empty like hell. Thought about buying GT7 but the Nords isn´t a good advertisement for GT7 compared with ACC, RF2 etc.
Rennsport looks ok, but obviously missing spectators.

kpduke said:

AC version is still very nice with CSP, CF1 skins and Pyver extenstions(to make it look like 2024 version of track). i still prefer it over ACC version in many ways as AC has a better physics engine and you can drive manual shift cars instead of every car being paddle shift and easy to drive. (photo on my mid spec machine with dash currently not working on my audi).

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This thing of the "better physics engine" is just not true. I don't know how people play ACC but on my DD wheel it is clearly superior to AC (and hey I love AC). To me the ACC Nords feels tighter, scarier and overall better in ACC compared to AC.

guidofoc said:

To me the ACC Nords feels tighter, scarier and overall better in ACC compared to AC.

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kpduke said:

i still prefer it over ACC version in many ways as AC has a better physics

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I think you are saying the same thing, if every one would write "feels better", a lot of the arguing about nothing would vanish.
Every one is right in preferring what they prefer, of course what they prefer feels "better" to them. Does not mean it is "better" to anybody else, unless they prefer it as well, of course.
My preference depends on content with an overall preference, hence attraction, to AC.

Cote Dazur said:

I think you are saying the same thing, if every one would write "feels better", a lot of the arguing about nothing would vanish.
Every one is right in preferring what they prefer, of course what they prefer feels "better" to them. Does not mean it is "better" to anybody else, unless they prefer it as well, of course.
My preference depends on content with an overall preference, hence attraction, to AC.

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With all the newer titles I have (including rally) I keep going back to AC because only it and the rally ones give the true feeling of hurling down a road at high speed. The others seem to run in slow motion.

Cote Dazur said:

I think you are saying the same thing, if every one would write "feels better", a lot of the arguing about nothing would vanish.
Every one is right in preferring what they prefer, of course what they prefer feels "better" to them. Does not mean it is "better" to anybody else, unless they prefer it as well, of course.

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That is a great way to look at things, in my opinion. Of course, replicating the real thing as closely as possible is the core principle of sim racing, but there are nuances that are gonna differ from title to title. And sim racing is very much a game of preference.

It starts with hardware, just like in any sport. In hockey, my teammates and I are constantly talking about the advantages of certain gear - but those do not apply to every player. For instance, hockey sticks come with a flex rating. The higher the number, the stiffer the stick. A high flex means that a strong player with the right technique could get a lot of power behind a slap shot (you know, the one where they raise their stick up over their shoulder during the shooting motion), as the snap will be much more powerful once the stick returns to its natural position after stricking the ice and puck. This is usually a defenders' thing, as they tend to take these shots from further away from the net.

On the other hand, if you're a center or a winger, you want to take very quick and accurate shots, especially if you are challenging the goalie one-on-one. No time for a wind-up - you just wanna bury the puck somewhere the goalie can't cover quick enough. That means you will usually want a stick that flexes easier so you can get these shots of quicker in close quarters and without much of a wind-up, if any.

Both types of players could play with either stick, but the forward might find it difficult to get their shot just right, and the defenseman might find that they cannot get the power they want in their shot.

I guess it is similar with the dffering elements I mentioned above for sim racing. If you got very quick hands, you might prefer a sim where the cars feel more alive than they would in other sims. Or if you prefer a highly precise driving style, then a sim that has a more planted feel might be more your cup of tea.

The point is: You are free to prefer what you like, as that is a sim that makes you enjoy our hobby, which is why we do this after all. And so is everyone else, even though you might not prefer their favorite.

guidofoc said:

This thing of the "better physics engine" is just not true. I don't know how people play ACC but on my DD wheel it is clearly superior to AC (and hey I love AC). To me the ACC Nords feels tighter, scarier and overall better in ACC compared to AC.

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no, you are wrong. i bet i have driven longer than you, my first car was a 1969 toyota corolla. AC is better than ACC, anyone can tell when you compare the same car on the same track in both. ACC is very forgiving, closer to a simcade like gt7 or forza than a sim like Rfactor2 or AC. it is only that ACC was released by the same company as AC.. but ACC was never a sequal, it was its only little weird GT3 only, paddle shift and traction control simple game compared to AC. your wheel is designed for simple to control games. try it on AC or RF2.

kpduke said:

no, you are wrong. i bet i have driven longer than you, my first car was a 1969 toyota corolla. AC is better than ACC, anyone can tell when you compare the same car on the same track in both. ACC is very forgiving, closer to a simcade like gt7 or forza than a sim like Rfactor2 or AC. it is only that ACC was released by the same company as AC.. but ACC was never a sequal, it was its only little weird GT3 only, paddle shift and traction control simple game compared to AC. your wheel is designed for simple to control games. try it on AC or RF2.

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I'm not a fan of ACC because of the terrible Unreal Engine but ACC is not more forgiving than AC. And yes the FFB feels more advanced in ACC but the connection to the road is better in AC so for that reason AC feels more accurate to me too. But you're wrong about the forgiving part. How much have you played Forza and GT7 to make that judgement btw?

Grip level green on ACC track surfaces: all clean

Nice work. I've not got Rennsport yet, so my comparison of 24 Nordschleifes finishes with ACC:

what an odd choice of games to use as comparison

VirtuaIceMan said:

Nice work. I've not got Rennsport yet, so my comparison of 24 Nordschleifes finishes with ACC:

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great video!

The clash of the titans.

kpduke said:

I still prefer it over ACC version in many ways as AC has a better physics engine

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This is 100% quantifiably untrue. If you're not just trolling, you clearly don't understand how the 'physics engines' in AC and ACC work. Maybe what you're saying is you just prefer 'the feel' of AC over ACC.

ACC is the best for me ...