Le Mans Ultimate December Update: Interlagos, Hosted Servers & 4 LMGT3 Cars Are Coming

SIMSA_2024 · 2024-12-04T10:52:08+0000

Welcome all what is coming but as a user that does feel this engine much like RF2 is quite the resource hog I am still baffled they havent implemented user selected amounts of AI on track, its a bit all or nothing currently despite private option and visible vehicles pop in mode (which I find distracting but the only way to suck up some fps).

I also very much want to see a championship mode, which all depends on if they are simply going more for the MP side than SP offline.

Have the season pass and looking forward to the updates regardless.

numbersevenhull · 2024-12-04T11:38:54+0000

tr1v1um said:
I think it's a bit wierd to just look at the MP part and compare that to those other titles. Some of them don't even have an online system as sophisticated as Racecontrol - I would even go as far as saying none of them, some of them don't have the underlying tech in the sim in terms of netcode etc. to dare to ask for that price and some grab their money from somewhere else - like certain products that take micro transactions for stuff like skins. Ofcourse there are studios like Kunos who can set price points reasonably low but looking at the game packages and what you get with all of them it kind of evens out mostly. At the end you don't have that many options (actually none besides LMU) to drive all WEC cars or all WEC tracks in a competetive environment, where content is up to that quality and detail level, well balanced and easy to get going. Also going forward you have the option to pay a monthly sub to get temporal access to the full online service including all content in LMU and rF2 wich is a quite interesting concept for people who don't like to pay for the season pass or the DLCs. We have many many options in how we can use LMU/rF2 and none of it requires you to spend any money besides having the base game.

I don't mean to be rude or offensive, because I know very well how much people adore sims based on the ISI 2 engine, it is in many ways a piece of engineering genius. For many IT IS SIMRACING, and nothing else comes close.

However you're reply, the justifications, the mental gymnastics, spoken like a true whale. You are their target market, because your attachment is so strong that it renders it almost impossible to think critically. It's self evidently a pernicious business practice to syphon off a fully fledged multiplayer element in a box retail game and charge a subscription for its full and proper use.

For years we have had a model of additional content as a revenue stream for developers and for maintaining player engagement. This is an awful twist on that model, in addition to your content rights it's adding access/usage rights.

I'd also add what many people have alluded to, this is a terrible move for game preservation. When the servers go, and eventually they will because every game become unviable at some point, the multiplayer goes. On first principles that should not be supported irrespective of what you believe you are getting in the short term.

Super Nova · 2024-12-04T11:52:20+0000

A free car is great! I love this Sim but I'm mainly a solo player and there's nothing in this update, not even the WEC championship. Everything is based on multiplayer...The grayed career mod of Ams2 hype me much more and yet I don't have it

Kevin Troschinski · 2024-12-04T12:42:27+0000

Super Nova said:
A free car is great! I love this Sim but I'm mainly a solo player and there's nothing in this update, not even the WEC championship. Everything is based on multiplayer...The grayed career mod of Ams2 hype me much more and yet I don't have it

i do the raceweekends and write down the results and copy them to Excel. So i manage my own "Championship Mode"

But it´s not really how it should work ...

looking forward for further updates.

RichardHessels · 2024-12-04T12:53:41+0000

Kevin Troschinski said:
i do the raceweekends and write down the results and copy them to Excel. So i manage my own "Championship Mode"
But it´s not really how it should work ... looking forward for further updates.

I don't get it why there is no championship mode. It's a basic function since the earliests gMotor sims.
Select the classes that can compete, select the tracks, select the conditions and rules... than add everything up in the end. Save the leaderboard for the next session.
Maybe very basic, but at least you can have more than a single AI race.

th3orist · 2024-12-04T12:55:24+0000

They really need to revamp that night lighting aspect of the engine, the game becomes incredibly flat once the sun is gone. It goes from super nice looking to ugly outdated, i am not joking.

Stepy · 2024-12-04T13:55:29+0000

TheRealCeeBee said:
hahah the DEFINTIVE interlagos.. way to stick it to Reizas home track!

Another track ripped from RF2 people buying it twice lol

Stepy · 2024-12-04T13:57:34+0000

mitos 13 said:
I think we need a petition (or at least a survey) for an offline championship mode on LMU. Admins, what do you think?

They couldn`t do it in 10 years for RF2 theyre not doing it for this.

Validamar · 2024-12-04T14:56:19+0000

No dediciated server outside racecontrol, goodbye LMU

DaVeX↯ · 2024-12-04T22:39:22+0000

davehenrie said:
You purchased lifetime online access for rF2 from ISI. ISI is no longer in the rF2 business. You STILL have unlimited online access to rF2 via the good graces of S397. They were under no obligation to continue that policy.
You did NOT purchase any sort of online access for LMU when you sent your $$ to ISI back in the day.
ISI has no business interest in either S397 or MSG, ISI is independently pursuing other products that have no interaction with rF2 nor LMU.
Therefore: Your agreement with ISI for lifetime internet access no longer carries any force, but it does still exist as long as S397 funds servers. For that matter, due to rF2's ability to host private servers, your lifetime online access will continue long after S397 officially closes the rF2 garages.

Bruh! Was a joke!

No need to explain how this work...was just me having some sort of Vietnam flashback reading about paid multiplayer....

tr1v1um · 2024-12-04T23:28:59+0000

numbersevenhull said:
I don't mean to be rude or offensive, because I know very well how much people adore sims based on the ISI 2 engine, it is in many ways a piece of engineering genius. For many IT IS SIMRACING, and nothing else comes close.

However you're reply, the justifications, the mental gymnastics, spoken like a true whale. You are their target market, because your attachment is so strong that it renders it almost impossible to think critically. It's self evidently a pernicious business practice to syphon off a fully fledged multiplayer element in a box retail game and charge a subscription for its full and proper use.

For years we have had a model of additional content as a revenue stream for developers and for maintaining player engagement. This is an awful twist on that model, in addition to your content rights it's adding access/usage rights.

I'd also add what many people have alluded to, this is a terrible move for game preservation. When the servers go, and eventually they will because every game become unviable at some point, the multiplayer goes. On first principles that should not be supported irrespective of what you believe you are getting in the short term.

Wut? Now that it get's personal I will set a few things straight here because it might help you to actually make some mental gymnastics before posting such nonesense. I still don't think that you actually realize what you are comparing there. AC never had ranked multiplayer racing build into the sim with matchmaking or online schedules. You can't be serious about this comparison. The MP part of AMS2 is still in abysmal shape from a technical standpoint and ACC wouldn't be where it is without LFM, an external solution. Same goes for AMS2 and AC because Kunos and Reiza cared so much for that aspect in their titles. The only other sims that have a similar system build into them are iRacing and Raceroom. I wouldn't call those two titles the more viable options when it comes to pricing structures and offering a great WEC package. One title is f*cking expensive and the other one certainly not on the same technical level.

And as I am so attached to ISI-Motor based games I can tell you one thing for certain: the community of rF2 and alot of people on different sim racing forums begged for a system like Racecontroll for years and now that people can use it to access the MP environment in a more convenient way, some people are still not happy and need some cheese for their wine because everything needs to be for free and they want the full online experience without paying a dime. And don't get me wrong, I still think that dedicated servers are needed at one point or another (read my other more critical post), but I am allmost 100 % sure that the majority of players won't deal with those servers ever at this point. What's coming with the next update is an addition to what's there allready in rF2 and LMU and an optional service. Noone is stopping you to have some game preserving fun with the rF2 dedi.

Durge Driven · 2024-12-04T23:40:43+0000

The thing is he talks like ISIMotor lovers think it's perfect when nothing could be further from the truth.

imho I find more people in other engines ignore physics and things of this nature.

and there in lies the difference, rF2 lover, I can call it as it is ........the good bad ugly, only a face a mother would love.

But when most talk about ACC AMS2 etc .........they are perfect.

rF2 are LMU are dynamic the rest just play at it.

So yes ISIMotor Guru Gjon was a Genius and ahead of his time.
He openly stated he did not care about visuals or AI but only the driving and real time calculations.
Shame the community could not support him and his endeavor to make a better driving sim.

Doesn't take rocket science to understand ISIMotor1.0 > ISIMotor2.0 > ISIMotor2.5 were a natural progression of improvement with no reason to think this would not have continued.

Our Loss ( shrugs )

pz666 · 2024-12-04T23:42:03+0000

Durge Driven said:
The thing is he talks like ISIMotor lovers think it's perfect when nothing could be further from the truth.

imho I find more people in other engines ignore physics and things of this nature.

and there in lies the difference, rF2 lover, I can call it as it is ........the good bad ugly, only a face a mother would love.

But when most talk about ACC AMS2 etc .........they are perfect.

WELL SAID!!!

The thing about rF2 communities that I love the most is how much they bash S397 and MSGS for their short comings... iRacing zealots are nice to deal with these days compared to the AMS2 or ACC cultists... They actively make me want to race elsewhere...

Because when you post a problem it's a "user issue" but in rF2 it's...

pai · 2024-12-05T00:00:51+0000

I'm not delusional, you are delusional!

Durge Driven · 2024-12-05T00:04:06+0000

There's more ! lol

Of course the other itch ISIMotor haters can't scratch is the big one.

I like all sims ( shrugs )
They don't like ISI full stop

You do see the difference right ?

The greatest compliment I can give any other sims if they all had ISIMotor I would drive them all a lot more.

pz666 · 2024-12-05T00:10:54+0000

Durge Driven said:
There's more ! lol

Of course the other itch ISIMotor haters can't scratch is the big one.

I like all sims ( shrugs )
They don't like ISI full stop

You do see the difference right ?

Although in general I agree with that take...

ISI don't really get the hate and in a lot of circles ISI is beloved as the king still... I did try to give that crown to Reiza after AMS1 but we all know how I feel about the buggy state of the Madness engine... And their customer service skills have just made the current S397 staff look like darlings to me... They admit they get things wrong and don't get defensive without actual reason...

MSGS and S397 cop all the flak from all the angles that they should, but as someone who calls a spade a spade they've really changed over the past 3 years from something I detest (because they've ruined ISI's work on the rF2 engine by making it drive like the SETA tyre model) to a respectable developer...

tr1v1um · 2024-12-05T00:10:59+0000

Btw, it took Reiza four years to have the online mess that they have now and people say - it's a fine game. I played every current sim and used their online systems including Project Cars 2 (now delisted) and AC for league racing, aswell as iRacing, ACC and AMS2. I think I am qualified enough to give my 2 cents when people allways come up with this fanboy or h8ter nonsense as if people are only 12 years old on this forum. Given the high average age of sim racers some people still seem to be stuck in the early 80s and wear their basecap backwards.

pz666 · 2024-12-05T00:19:11+0000

There's definitely far too much sports team mentality in sim racing...

Far too many grown people playing with imaginary cars who care that someone else is talking bad about the thing that brings a smile to their face...

Big deal, the amount of people who frown when I put death metal on is something that I'm used to...

It's just childish to care to the degree that the cultists out there will go to defend a title that it only takes less than a week to see that it needs more time in the oven... AMS2 and ACC still have so many flaws and yet Kunos/Reiza fanboys will waste so much time defending them it makes me wonder if they're getting paid to do so or not... I know GamerMuscle definitely gets money for the time he wastes with his fanboy takes, most fanboy cultists fall into his class without the paycheck...

Le Mans Ultimate December Update: Interlagos, Hosted Servers & 4 LMGT3 Cars Are Coming

Le Mans Ultimate LMGT3 Cars: Four New Sets Of Wheels​

LMU Goes To Brazil​

Hosted Servers​

Spectator Mode & WEC Overlay​

Optional Online Subscriptions​

Other Improvements​

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