F1 is SICK! It's the only raceclass where constantly penalty's fly around, and real racing is made a crime. Overtaking by pits stops and drs made F1 a farce. It won't take long and the fans are leaving, there is better stuff going around
Verstappen vs Leclerc - Overtake Fair or Foul?
- Thread starter Paul Jeffrey
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Sasha Jednak
Sasa Jednak
I think that the issue here is much simpler then it looks. All the yellow curbs were installed because they didn't want to penalize going off track, so they put curbs to lose you time if you go wide. But if they have penalized off track excursions, they wouldn't need yellow curbs and in this case Leclerc would be able to get back same as Max against Vettel in Silverstone last or 2 years ago I don't remember.
They are "the best drivers" in the world, or at least they say they are, so treat them like that. Driving ON track is basic driving skill. i don't care who you are if you have 4 wheels of track and you gain time or position either slow down or receive the penalty.
They are "the best drivers" in the world, or at least they say they are, so treat them like that. Driving ON track is basic driving skill. i don't care who you are if you have 4 wheels of track and you gain time or position either slow down or receive the penalty.
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There is nothing wrong with aggressive overtaking (it's part and parcel of racing) but Verstappen took that corner as though LeClerc didn't exist. The cars were side-by-side, there was contact, and Verstappen ploughed on without a care in the world. It wasn't overtly dangerous, but it's only a small step to doing the same thing when there are walls and barriers nearby in a later race. I didn't like Schumacher's "give way or you will crash" technique then and I don't like to see Verstappen repeating it now.
You misunderstood. What I said:
Leclerc chose the outside line because his Ferrari was faster with a wide apex and a more momentum keeping line even when he was alone on the track.
So doing a tight apex without going wide at the apex would've resulted in a clear pace advantage of the red bull after the corner.
His only chance was to take the fastest line for his Ferrari, which was around the outside.
He didn't keep in mind that he might get pushed wide, since it's against the rules if the cars are totally side by side.
Apparently "side by side" is not front wheel next to front wheel but "the point of the car closest to the racing line and track flow". And yeah, verstappens inner front wing edge was "ahead" of the leclerc then.
Anyway I'm looking forward to all drivers pushing each other out from now on. Just wrestle for the inside and throw whoever is next to you into the off.
This way every battle will only last one corner though.
You can see it on this example already.
Giving each other space = nice battle over a full lap and ongoing.
Pushing the outside car off = one corner and the battle is done.
I think verstappen would've won anyway. I would've preferred a nice and sportsmanship like battle until the finish line but instead we got a dirty, rule bending move, lasting one corner and that was it. With one driver totally pissed off afterwards instead of celebrating together for the awesome battle on track.
I'm at a loss for words really. I understand conceding the corner, but do you have to concede the track as well? I've done this same exact move here in our races and always waited on the guy I pushed off the track because I know he has a right to part of the track. If I dive down the inside, I try to make sure to leave room and when I don't, it's on me.
what Max said after the race Leclerc had done the same... they are racers
No, it's not a drivers corner just because they are on the inside. As you state yourself, Verstappen was all the way beside Leclerc. They were side by side. You cannot just run someone off the road because you are side by side and you are the attacker.
"Racing Line". What is the racing line? What about the corners with multiple lines? What about rain, the crossover between dry and rain, and when it rains so much that the rubber is washed away? Is it all down to his in on the inside?
You can do exactly what you want in regards to where you place the car, as long as you don't crash in to other drivers, put others in danger, or drive others off the track.
As has been explained. The Ferrari had worse tyres, the Red Bull was faster, had better exit grip, and Verstappen would have DRS after the corner due to where the detection zone is. The only way to defend, was to get a much better exit. You don't get that from hugging the inside line. Unless you run the guy on the outside off the track, but we don't want to see that, do we?
No Leclec had the door wide open...if you do that by Verstappen you are in trouble. Max was close before Leclerc in that corner.
and finaly had Leclerc the choice to let Max passed... and go for a DRS for the next coner but he decides to push his tires in to Max. And not a foot from his trottle and cry for a penalty. No hand shakking on the podium, bad losser.
Racing incident is a better word. No one is hurt a liitle kiss... like touring and indy cars thats racing and thats why people love racing.
From my point of view this sums it up nicely - case closed
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Montoya ran out of talent and grip in this scenario, however, I do feel Montoya made a better fist of defending corner entry than LeClerc managed (who was too wide) even though it didn't ultimately work out for Montoya
There is nothing, anywhere that says you either have to defend on the inside towards a corner, or you aren't defending at all. It is perfectly legitimate to stay on the outside, most often to prepare for an undercut. However, Verstappen closed that off really well. The issue however, is that Verstappen crept up relatively slowly on to Leclerc. This works amazingly in hindering Leclerc doing the undercut.
The problem happened when Leclerc didn't bite - he didn't go for the undercut. As the cars were travelling in virtually the same speed, and they were wheel to wheel. In removing any chance for an undercut, Verstappen opened up the chance of Leclerc going on the outside.
If Leclerc had even attempted the undercut, Verstappen would've made the pass easily, as Leclerc would've fallen behind, and wouldn't had a chance to change the approach and go for the outside afterwards.
However, there is nothing that says you cannot defend from the outside. Lap 68 is a good example.
When it comes to side by side racing, leaving just enough room. This is awesome.
