Indeed, Hamilton just left a minimal gap, but when needed he could push a bit more to extend his lead with a 2 second margin.
Lets see how long they can keep Leclerc behind Vettel, before they realise he is the faster driver.
Team Orders at Ferrari?
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Lets see how long they can keep Leclerc behind Vettel, before they realise he is the faster driver.
All i can say is this team orders crap is just not racing you go out to win not to be told what to do or how to race. What is with this team order garbage any way do the drivers get upset and throw a tantrum if they don't win, WHAAAA it's not fair he beat me Whaaaa.
Sorry just don't get it and don't want to and also don't watch it ether.
Sorry just don't get it and don't want to and also don't watch it ether.
"Charles Leclerc put up a late race challenge against his team mate, but suddenly dropped back - are team orders at play already?"
It rather does appear so...doesn't it.
The closure rate Leclerc had over Vettel...only to drop back and 'hold station' without having mechanical issues certainly would suggest that.
If that is indeed the case, it would be very bad for this young man.
It is the first race of the season so if indeed that was the case, they're basically stating that even before we get to a point of mathematical elimination, Ferrari has already made the decision for him.
That can't be a good feeling for any driver.
It would be good to hear what was being discussed between him and the pits prior to confirming if he should stay behind.
It rather does appear so...doesn't it.
The closure rate Leclerc had over Vettel...only to drop back and 'hold station' without having mechanical issues certainly would suggest that.
If that is indeed the case, it would be very bad for this young man.
It is the first race of the season so if indeed that was the case, they're basically stating that even before we get to a point of mathematical elimination, Ferrari has already made the decision for him.
That can't be a good feeling for any driver.
It would be good to hear what was being discussed between him and the pits prior to confirming if he should stay behind.
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If I were the Ferrari team principal, I would not have pitted him either.
You have to understand, while yes...he had a pit-stop lead, often times things can go horribly wrong afterward (ask Grosjean)...loose wheel, etc...
Better to keep his rhythm, stay where he was and consolidate the points he already had in hand.
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Whatever happened to the phrase "May the best man win" Team orders stifled what was a great display of what young talented drivers like LeClerc can achieve.
Team orders suck!
Team orders suck!
Why do you thing they are talking about racing-teams instead of indviduals. A racing team consists of hundreds of people. There are bigger stakes as the glory of overtaking your teammate.All i can say is this team orders crap is just not racing you go out to win not to be told what to do or how to race. What is with this team order garbage any way do the drivers get upset and throw a tantrum if they don't win, WHAAAA it's not fair he beat me Whaaaa.
Sorry just don't get it and don't want to and also don't watch it ether.
So the team end up with the same points and a (already) even more pi**ed-off 1st driver.
You could also argue that Ferrari lost it by their regular cockups and Vettel's numerous brain fades. Mercedes and Hamilton had none of those, that was the difference.
I don't see an issue here. Yes, Charles was faster. However... F1 is a team sport. In these teams, there is a #1 and #2 driver. A lot of teams, especially Ferrari want to protect that #1 driver, and their cars as a whole. There is a lot of money at stake, so if telling Charles to back off is best for the team, then so be it. Not to mention, im sure Charles was well aware of how Ferrari is with team orders when he signed the contract.
Totally agree with you. If they gave stupid order to Charles don't pass Vettel, then they should have at least pitted both drivers with fresh soft tyres with 3 laps remaining for 2 classification laps, they were 36s ahead of magnussen, they would've easily beat 1.25.5 and take 1 point from mercedes.
So there's concrete evidence that team orders were in play, yet most people voted No, and then comment "Oh Vettel is so awesome for letting Ferrari hire a fast driver to be his teammate, Hamilton is a coward, he'd never allow Mercedes to hire a fast teammate".
If any Vettel fan could tell me what they smoke, I'd be really interested to know.
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Plz read the question again --> it is not the question if they did or did not gave team orders. We all know they did. The question is do you think it is right or not?
If you smoke something be sure it is good quality
Because we know. this is smoking Valhalla here Plz read the question again --> it is not the question if they did or did not gave team orders. We all know they did. The question is do you think it is right or not?
If you smoke something be sure it is good quality
So the stuff I'm smoking is probably not so good, I can't even read properly.
Who cares really, their pace was so shockingly poor its unbelievable.
Not that big of an issue atm. Ferrari would gain pretty much nothing letting them race at this stage since they're not fighting for the win or a podium, + the risks outweigh the rewards. Should've pitted either one of them in but they did not do it to avoid any risks so who knows
They don't know...
How is it even possible they didn't know Ferrari had no pace at all...
The made an anonymous race. Never in the position to put some danger to anyone.
2 Mercedes, 1 Red Bull and 2 Ferrari and then... kilometers of desert between them and the other cars. And yet Ferrari was way behind Red Bull.
Sad Ferrari fan.
Hope Binotto and the whole team, they will work hard as Mercedes did last season, after two wins by Ferrari.
But I fear this season is already cursed for Ferrari. I hope to be wrong, though.
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If only they pitted Leclerc to try for the Fastest Lap extra point!
How is it even possible they didn't know Ferrari had no pace at all...
The made an anonymous race. Never in the position to put some danger to anyone.
2 Mercedes, 1 Red Bull and 2 Ferrari and then... kilometers of desert between them and the other cars. And yet Ferrari was way behind Red Bull.
Sad Ferrari fan.
Hope Binotto and the whole team, they will work hard as Mercedes did last season, after two wins by Ferrari.
But I fear this season is already cursed for Ferrari. I hope to be wrong, though.
p.s.
If only they pitted Leclerc to try for the Fastest Lap extra point!
LOL who cares? After they realize the gap in pace with Merc shown by Bottas. Even Honda outdone them? Wut? They have a lot more to figure out and fix than thinking twice with the team orders.
Anyone in Ferrari's shoes will do the exact same call. Fanbois don't belong in the pitwall. 4 world titles VS a sophomore? Who do you go to when doing damage control?
Anyone in Ferrari's shoes will do the exact same call. Fanbois don't belong in the pitwall. 4 world titles VS a sophomore? Who do you go to when doing damage control?
I would have pittet Vettel actually
since he would lose the place to LeClerc anyway and he had enough get to not be overtaken by driver behind LeClerc to the thread, yes they have EVERY right to decide who they want to finish ahead of their driver
it's not fair, not great for sport, but they have the right and they used it
What I hate the most though is all the BS talk from Mercedes, how Ferrari and other teams are strong this year, and how it's going to be a challenge, and then they just breeze through to another one / two oh well
no point trying to be saying that Ferrari won't be able to match Mercedes this year after one race, but doesn't look too good
oh well no point trying to be saying that Ferrari won't be able to match Mercedes this year after one race, but doesn't look too good
