Rate the Sims | FINAL RESULTS

[M.Guenette]

Congratulations Assetto Corsa ! My personal Favorite is Automobilista and it's nice to see it finish second. What drives and excites the Sim racing community is a great looking / feeling (ffb) game with well sorted AI , that has lots of mods available for it. Both Assetto Corsa and AMS have plenty to enjoy. Reiza should take note of this fact. With the upcoming AMS 2 being pretty much unmodable I fear a potential fatal mistake on there part. The boys at ISI , now Studio397 made this critical mistake with RFactor 2 and the sim racing community walked away in droves. RFactor 2 has all the potential to be the King if only they would create and release some tools / editors to the public. I'm very much looking forward to AMS 2 but it's shelf life may be quite limited .

 

[leo523]

Because they continue to market and hype their titles as something they aren't. Including paying pro drivers to give their "opinion" infront of cameras.

SMS is known to mislead for maximum profit. Just look back how they marketed the Shift series.

Codemasters on Grid game (2019) did worse than that. Look the trailers with F1 driver, and is a total arcade.

 

[Ruy Horta]

Positively surprised by AMS and R3E
Wreckfest the absolute winner in terms of joker in the pack.

ACC is climbing up, RF2 bit lower than expected.
IRacing gets lot of Flak because of pricing.

Not much surprise about the tail end.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

Because it's supringly fun!

It's good and fun but still completely different genre simcade. Its presence in the poll imo just skews the results.
It's driving GAME, same as FH4, but not racing simulator, never meant to be.
Nonetheless happy that all studio's hard work recognized and people like it for some crazy recreation break from more serious simulation.

 

[PegaMixel]

The stats are filled with haters/fanboys anyways.

Just look at the iRacing post. I think we can all agree that iRacing is not a 10/10, but people rating iRacing a 1/10? I mean come on. Do you even know what a 1/10 title looks like?

ACC is also not a 10/10, but again, 37 votes for a 1/10? wtf

 

[David Peres]

And nothing, we agree. ISImotor is a blast if it's used properly. That's the point, maths are maths.

In that case I misinterpreted your post. Sorry for the misunderstanding

 

[j_troc_71]

AC coming in at 1 isn't a surprise to me.....but AMS at number 2 is pretty shocking. Doesn't seem like a hugely popular game.

 

[Stefan Roess]

Where were the votes for Grand Prix Legends, GT Legends, GTR2, Race 07, ... ?

I think a sim still needs to still run on a modern OS for it to be valid.

Now I can only speak about GTR2 as I have it but have never been able to play it - it does a CTD on launch with Win10.

GTR2 works fine on my Windows 10 (latest build version), so does GTL, LFS, and GPL.
They all work great on Windows 10.
For Grand Prix Legends (GPL) you may want to have a look on the GPL 2020 Demo:

GPL | 2020 Demo Now Available

Grand Prix Legends... an all-time classic racing simulation. Now complete with a brand new and heavily refreshed community created demo version for 2020! Yes, the sim racing community have been pulling out all the stops over the last two decades to build upon and improve the original Grand Prix...

www.racedepartment.com

The only games of the poll that I don`t have are F1 2019 and GT Sport.
Thx RD for the interesting poll.

 

[General_Failure]

The stats are filled with haters/fanboys anyways.

Just look at the iRacing post. I think we can all agree that iRacing is not a 10/10, but people rating iRacing a 1/10? I mean come on. Do you even know what a 1/10 title looks like?

ACC is also not a 10/10, but again, 37 votes for a 1/10? wtf

iRacing is ridiculous expensive, no moddable and its physics are super basic compared to AMS. I mean, it deserves more than a 1/10, but very far from the top.
ACC is just a gt3 series, a very good one, but just that. And you need a very expensive hardware to run it properly. Again, it's not a 1/10, but this one also should be far from the top. Bear in mind a good part of Racedepartment is a hardcore community, and they don't care about marketing, they just want good sims.

 

[David Wright]

iRacing ... physics are super basic compared to AMS.

And you know this - how?

 

[paracletus]

Jaded that I missed the voting.
Damn, missed out on clicking for Assetto, AMS or rf2

 

[ermo]

What a complete shocker. I would've never expected this result. I thought PCars 2 is going to win hands down.

But no, in a complete twist of events, the sim with the largest and loudest community somehow managed to make it to the very top.

In fairness, if PC2 had seen the amount of development time that AC did and if it had supported modding and plugins natively, it would've stood a better (= fair) chance.

As it is, my take is that the community prefers flexibility and well-understood, polished platforms with good plugin and modding support. Frankly, this shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

When you look at the PC2 numbers, the amount of hate-votes skews it down. If you discount them as the result of irrational hatred, the distribution looks fair enough. Also see how ACC (which is still in its infancy) fared in comparison. In two years, ACC will be a lot more polished and will score even higher.

SMS simply bit off more than they could chew in the time available and gave up too early.

 

[paracletus]

People can vote in a pole

Depends on what diameter it is, but generally they are far too narrow to fit a ballot box inside.

 

[General_Failure]

And you know this - how?

zigzag at 60 miles and take a look at suspension. iRacing has a nice FFB but in many cases it does not correspond with car's behaviour, it's intentionally oversaturated. Suspension mechanics in AMS and rF2 are way more organic and a real delight. The progressive weight transfer is superb and polar moment of inertia of each car is very well calculated.

 

[Ville-Samuli Mutanen]

The stats are filled with haters/fanboys anyways.

Just look at the iRacing post. I think we can all agree that iRacing is not a 10/10, but people rating iRacing a 1/10? I mean come on. Do you even know what a 1/10 title looks like?

ACC is also not a 10/10, but again, 37 votes for a 1/10? wtf

I actually did some calculations how the results would be if people who rate a title 10 would count as a 9 (because no title is perfect/fanboy-filtering) and every vote below 4 would count as a 4 (probable "hate-vote").

The results were almost identical. ACC got something like .2 percentage increase (because of so many "hate votes") and most of the titles stayed within +- .15%. I think the order would still be exactly the same.

Iracing rating is probably most flawed because the cult has its own forum and those users seems to be not reading RD. It had ridiculously low vote count because of that.

Edit: @ermo with my "smoothing method" Pc2 would get +0.05% so it is one of the least affected by the clear "hate-/fanboy-votes".

 

[Durge Driven]

All this pole tells me is the majority barely rated the physical side of things

It had ridiculously low vote count because of that

In other words people that don't own titles rated them

 

[Ole Andreasen]

Because they continue to market and hype their titles as something they aren't. Including paying pro drivers to give their "opinion" infront of cameras.

SMS is known to mislead for maximum profit. Just look back how they marketed the Shift series.

Thanks for stating YOUR opinion. Others may differ. Some people like PC 2 for the GAME, and not for anything else. I for once, happen to like the NFS Shift and love Project Cars 1 and 2, because I find them fun and immersive to drive. As in "this is MY opinion".

Your opinion is totally valid, but please do not state is as being the "Truth" Mr. PegaMixel. It is just your opinion.

 

[David Wright]

zigzag at 60 miles and take a look at suspension. iRacing has a nice FFB but in many cases it does not correspond with car's behaviour, it's intentionally oversaturated. Suspension mechanics in AMS and rF2 are way more organic and a real delight. The progressive weight transfer is superb and polar moment of inertia of each car is very well calculated.

In other words you don't know

 

[General_Failure]

In other words you don't know

Relax man, you don't have to be aggressive. You asked, so I answered, that's all. Pick your sim and enjoy it, it's all about having fun. Cheers,

 

[David Wright]

We have seen various explanations as to why the games are ordered as they are. Is it about modability? Is it about being hardcore? Maybe its just down to price.

The top 2 games are less than £20 on Steam

Numbers 4, 5 and 6 cost between £25 and £35

Those lower than this cost between £40 and $45 (or more in the case of iRacing), with two exceptions - GT Sport is now available for under £20 (no doubt handicapped by its console status), and NASCAR Heat 4 costs £31

You can't really put a cost on RaceRoom as it varies from free to £85 for all content.