Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti leak reveals a very powerful graphics card

[Durge Driven]

In Australia we pay on average 30% more for imported products, so even non founders edition will set me back $1600.....ridiculous price imo.

Founders GTX 2080 is $1,199 for us and MSi GTX1080Ti is same price

I would not mind betting in all current sims it will be as fast + RTX/DLSS
Well it should be if that graph is anywhere near true, we see in a months time.
I live in South Windsor catch a train with bike to MSY Auburn

I get why you waiting upgrading from fastest card but I have 1070


P.S. not just card you going to want nice gsync so total about same price as Fanatec P1 DD here ( $2500)

 

[InsaneOzzie]

Founders GTX 2080 is $1,199 for us and MSi GTX1080Ti is same price

I would not mind betting in all current sims it will be as fast + RTX/DLSS
Well it should be if that graph is anywhere near true, we see in a months time.
I live in South Windsor catch a train with bike to MSY Auburn

I get why you waiting upgrading from fastest card but I have 1070


P.S. not just card you going to want nice gsync so total about same price as Fanatec P1 DD here ( $2500)

I run Rift, so I'd probably look at the 2080ti and don't have a gsync monitor but only play race sims anyway, hopefully the prices won't be as high as I'm quoting, fingers crossed mate

 

[Durge Driven]

I run Rift, so I'd probably look at the 2080ti and don't have a gsync monitor but only play race sims anyway, hopefully the prices won't be as high as I'm quoting, fingers crossed mate

Yeah $1,600 would not be so bad price vs perf

I having horrible time nailing down monitor I torn better GSync 32" 1440p and 35" 3840 (300 dearer)
Good thing I decided to keep my 40" TV on end of sim table to do stuff on PC and watch TV from bed. 1080p is fine for that so I not worried about media in widescreen anymore, I will just keep using TV and dedicate new screen to simulator

 

[InsaneOzzie]

Yeah $1,600 would not be so bad price vs perf

I having horrible time nailing down monitor I torn better GSync 32" 1440p and 35" 3840 (300 dearer)
Good thing I decided to keep my 40" TV on end of sim table to do stuff on PC and watch TV from bed. 1080p is fine for that so I not worried about media in widescreen anymore, I will just keep using TV and dedicate new screen to simulator

Tough decision but at $100 an inch more for the 35" I know what I'd be buying, Gsync aren't cheap, in fact for that money why not go VR?...you'd be left with cash in hand

 

[Durge Driven]

Tough decision but at $100 an inch more for the 35" I know what I'd be buying

Keeping talking
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/41400/lg-32gk850g-b-qhd-144hz-g-sync-32in-va-gaming-monitor .............that is cheapest 32" Gsync, I not buying AOC
I get Gsync for smooth play with maxed out stuff with lower fps with 16:9 I will still be able to run DSR 4.0 and push stuff harder, so.no lag tear stutter ............I hope lol

Gsync aren't cheap, in fact for that money why not go VR?...you'd be left with cash in hand

Don't confuse me !

lol

VR I have earmarked for next year or so and not sure it would agree with me

 

[InsaneOzzie]

Keeping talking
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/41400/lg-32gk850g-b-qhd-144hz-g-sync-32in-va-gaming-monitor .............that is cheapest 32" Gsync, I not buying AOC
I get Gsync for smooth play with maxed out stuff with lower fps with 16:9 I will still be able to run DSR 4.0 and push stuff harder, so.no lag tear stutter ............I hope lol



Don't confuse me !

lol

VR I have earmarked for next year or so and not sure it would agree with me

Definitely go the 32" and the money you save can go towards a rift, why wait 12 mths?
If you have issues you can always sell it, but once you've tried VR you want go back to pancake view, so, that eventual RTX-2080 purchase will just make your Gsync 32" sweet and that VR even more immersive.....if ya got it, spend it, I say

 

[Durge Driven]

How they get everything on gun so smooth like DLSS !, that can't be TAA ?

BF5 guns never even looked that good and all the vehicles are as smooth as in this

Looks like a kickass game lol

 

[Mr Latte]

 

[Leonardo Chaves]

I'm skeptical that RTX 2080 would offer more performance than a 1080 Ti under any circumstances in non-ray tracing rendering. Let's look at specs:

GTX 980: 2048 CUDA @ 1216 MHz boost clock
GTX 980 Ti: 2816 CUDA @ 1075 MHz

GTX 1080: 2560 CUDA @ 1733 MHz
GTX 1080 Ti: 3456 CUDA @ 1621 MHz

RTX 2080: 2944 CUDA @ 1710 MHz
RTX 2080 Ti: 4352 CUDA @ 1545 MHz

So the frequencies are actually slightly lower than in 1000 series, whereas from 900 to 1000 series there was a big boost in both frequencies and CUDA count. RTX 2080 has a mere 15% more CUDA cores running at lower frequency than the 1080, whereas 2080 Ti at least has 25% more CUDAs than its predecessor.

So unless the game is limited to memory bus, these numbers don't suggest anything as big as an improvement than from 900 to 1000 series.

According to Nvidia the CUDA cores are now sharing space with different types of cores which causes this IMO.
Nvidia is playing a dangerous game in which the new AMDs should be able to kick their ass in traditional games.

This structure sharing is a terrible decision IMO, it won't be amazing right now(it will be good), and if the future is indeed heavily RT you will need to buy another Geforce because by then this half and half die just won't do.

 

[Durge Driven]

Is frame rate in older titles such a issue

I mean to say if you buy the fastest Nvidia cards you most likely have GSync which I assume would already have smooth game play in current titles with last generation card, so what does it matter ? basically it would be wasted frames

I never had next gen card that made old sims " better " to play

So while making old titles a compelling reason to pass you overlook the boost using DLSS in new titles over TAA which is not only faster but much better looking

okay VR does not have Gsync I sorry but blame the developer

Ironic if this was AMD card people would say the game builds and drivers are only beta
so performance is sure to improve lol

 

[Mr Latte]

Here is a very good informative video...

If you are interested in this current situation of not just how much better over current gen RTX may be but also this Ray Tracing situation. Several key things are highlighted. I like this video as it recognizes how huge actually having RT now even working in real-time is and indeed (speeds will improve).

Yet it also points out that AMD are if anything losing ground to seriously challenge Nvidia from a developer perspective and not just in hardware. As highlighted in this video....

• Battlefield 1
• Hitman
• Tomb Raider
• Serious Sam

These were ALL AMD focused titles, working well on AMD hardware. Yet these are now ALL RTX promoted titles. So we are seeing that Nvidia is gaining more developer support from major studios. The video points out that their is not much benefit having features within your hardware if the majority of developers are not utilising it. Nobody really knows what the performances over Pascal are going to be, we have to play the waiting game to find out but it is if anything very interesting.

 

[Bjarne Hansen]

Is frame rate in older titles such a issue

I mean to say if you buy the fastest Nvidia cards you most likely have GSync which I assume would already have smooth game play in current titles with last generation card, so what does it matter ? basically it would be wasted frames

I never had next gen card that made old sims " better " to play

So while making old titles a compelling reason to pass you overlook the boost using DLSS in new titles over TAA which is not only faster but much better looking

okay VR does not have Gsync I sorry but blame the developer

Ironic if this was AMD card people would say the game builds and drivers are only beta
so performance is sure to improve lol

Yes frame rates in older/ current titles are important!
Only had one new GPU that didn't make older games look better and that was the GTX 970 and DSR fixed that and now W10 fixed that i window mode!

Gsync is a waste of money since freesync does the same without paying extra for the monitor.
Happy that kind of gimmicks are not in VR . Wouldn't work ether as people would get sick with constantly changing fps.

No the headsets have made something much smarter than GSync it is called reprojection which like freesync is a software solution that can be upgraded with a simple download.

I will upgrade from my GTX 970 But price/ performance on current titles (VR) will decide if it is going to be an 1080ti or an RTX 20XX.
Would like to go back to AMD but they got poor performance in titles I like and VR and you have to wonder if the AMD GPU's are made for gaming or mining!

 

[RasmusP]

Yes frame rates in older/ current titles are important!
Only had one new GPU that didn't make older games look better and that was the GTX 970 and DSR fixed that and now W10 fixed that i window mode!

Gsync is a waste of money since freesync does the same without paying extra for the monitor.
Happy that kind of gimmicks are not in VR . Wouldn't work ether as people would get sick with constantly changing fps.

No the headsets have made something much smarter than GSync it is called reprojection which like freesync is a software solution that can be upgraded with a simple download.

I will upgrade from my GTX 970 But price/ performance on current titles (VR) will decide if it is going to be an 1080ti or an RTX 20XX.
Would like to go back to AMD but they got poor performance in titles I like and VR and you have to wonder if the AMD GPU's are made for gaming or mining!

Few things don't really make sense here.
- freesync is not available with nvidia. So if you want the cheaper, cooler, more efficient while giving higher framerates cards, freesync doesn't do anything for you.
- reprojection is a sometimes inducing motion sickness frame creation tool. Absolutely not comparable to a variable refresh rate which is smooth without the need for artificial frames.

If a variable refresh rate would cause motion sickness too I can't predict. But it's not comparable.

I agree though with the rest. Also I personally don't need gsync with 144 Hz monitors anyway as the tearing and stuttering is barely noticeable. Not such a big jump like 60 Hz to gsync but still enough of a leap that's satisfying and a lot cheaper!

 

[Durge Driven]

Most every Gsync owner I asked told me when they had Freesync there was no noticeable difference in quality at same refresh

However they all had a similar experience in that the Gsync " felt smoother " in sims

The other thing is DSR4.0 with sims at lower fps on Freesync becomes nothing more then a 60Hz monitor unless you have AMD card right ?

 

[DND]

Curious if nVidia will release a new card with three DVI connectors for triple monitors so I can get the 144 out of them

 

[Durge Driven]

Curious if nVidia will release a new card with three DVI connectors for triple monitors so I can get the 144 out of them

Ah to use with existing monitors doh ! yeah that is something I never thought of
Sorry I don't think so mate, if all new monitors were still using it I would say yes
but seems I notice more monitors now with no DVI

 

[DND]

Ah to use with existing monitors doh ! yeah that is something I never thought of
Sorry I don't think so mate, if all new monitors were still using it I would say yes
but seems I notice more monitors now with no DVI

Just seems funny the monitors are less than 2 years old and the last card to have three DVI is like a dinosaur now. Thought I did enough research but the HDMI connections from ACER are only capable of 60hz and cannot support an adapter for DVI.

 

[Durge Driven]

Yes frame rates in older/ current titles are important!
Only had one new GPU that didn't make older games look better and that was the GTX 970 and DSR fixed that and now W10 fixed that i window mode! !

Just so we understand I don't disagree with your opinion ....okay
You may play totally different games to me and have a totally different
perspective on quality vs performance as in so far as what effects you like
and can do without, like in sims some people don'tt care about shadows others do
that will have a impact on perception of performance no matter what GPU it is


My point would just be your main issue at first seemed to be about performance and i am fine with that, i know nothing more then anyone else here probably less till benches come out.

All I said is I thought 2080 would be as fast in current sims nothing but opinion
I also think DLSS looks better then TAA

As far as quality goes and how good a game looks you mean ?

1. Series 20 is going to look as good as series 10 in any non "RTX features" game, right ?
2. Series 20 will look better in titles that implement the features, right ?

So logically the only GPU with a Con regarding quality or looks is Series 10 as it has no RTX features

So I don't see how quality is a Con

 

[Durge Driven]

Just seems funny the monitors are less than 2 years old and the last card to have three DVI is like a dinosaur now. Thought I did enough research but the HDMI connections from ACER are only capable of 60hz and cannot support an adapter for DVI.

You would like DP cables just for themselves, they are good think cables and both ends having
clips

Don't quote me Duc please ( sorry I paranoid everything I say now )

I seem to remember years ago people needing to use at least 1 DP ?
Like 1 DP 2 DVI or 1 DP 1 DVI 1 HDMI ...etc.

 

[Bjarne Hansen]

Few things don't really make sense here.
- freesync is not available with nvidia. So if you want the cheaper, cooler, more efficient while giving higher framerates cards, freesync doesn't do anything for you.
- reprojection is a sometimes inducing motion sickness frame creation tool. Absolutely not comparable to a variable refresh rate which is smooth without the need for artificial frames.

Never said Nvidia did Freesync but they could as it doesn't require hardware and it just made in software!.
I do have a freesync monitor n the it works fine with my Nvidia card for $228 less than the Gsync version would have cost. I can use any of the per-selected frequencies 60,75,90,100,120 and 144 or create any frequency up to 144 hz and use that.
I also got a WMR headset which got motion re projection. Which drops the gpu frame rate to 45hz when the gpu can't update the scenes at 90hz just as both Freesync and Gsync drops the frequency when the gpu can't update at the selected frequency.
So yes technical not the same but same result for end user. Smooth display even when the Gpu are not able to generate the frame in time.
Something Nvidia could ? should have done without extra cost for us the end user.

Just so we understand I don't disagree with your opinion ....okay
You may play totally different games to me and have a totally different
perspective on quality vs performance as in so far as what effects you like
and can do without, like in sims some people don'tt care about shadows others do
that will have a impact on perception of performance no matter what GPU it is

I know we kind of like the same Sims as I am Syhlif32 from Nogrip and other forums. Just messed up back in the day when I signed up here.

I do care about shadows main reason to upgrade my Gpu is to get shadows on high/max with RF2.

I just think you are way too optimistic about RT and DLSS and is impact on sims.
Remember 'Nvidia Gameworks' and AMD's 'Mantle' both was predicted to be the next hot thing and now merely months later you are more likely to see a live Dodo bird than an app using ether of those technologies