If i'm 5 seconds slower than a real life F1 lap world record. Am i really 5 seconds slower?
Obviously he is right, and how do you assume i'm thinking in any possibility to be a f1 driver? Just because im comparing my times with F1 driver times?Tberg in my view is correct, assuming you just got straight into an f1 car you would almost
certainly be 10 seconds off pace. But if you had a spare £10,000,000 and proceeded though
all the minor and major formula cars you then would be maybe 1 second to somewhere on
the pace but as you are an “paid” driver and not an “ability” driver that may also be a bridge
too far.
unfortunately skill is a free gift so buying it is not an option.
Also if you have the f1 world championship in mind i would like to remind you
that there are approximately 7,500,000,000 people on this planet and normally
only one seat available to win it.
Come to think of it if i were a betting man, my money would definitely be on Tberg
Well, even for my own cars, only one that’s been released can be classified as “very accurate” (Oreca - and even then, I barely had any aero data for that car). Some private work and some upcoming public work (delays, delays, delays) of mine also fits that category though.
David (RSS, etc.) does very good work, but hasn’t *technically* done any real cars as of late. Jason (aphidgod) also does nice work, though he works more with road cars and therefore doesn’t really need to bother with aero or large tire load variations (two areas where Kunos cars often suffer). As far as Kunos cars...the less possible load variation, the better. Hard to pick out the specifics of which are the best as I don’t have data for everything. But it’s easy to generalize the worst of the bunch: high downforce cars.
And it’s not usually a question of “not bothering” to get them right...they work on a limited timeframe and can’t spend a lot of time on each car. Couple that with some (IMO) judgment flaws in educated guessing and you get inaccuracies.
Edit: It’s also worth noting that lap times are not a particularly good measure of accuracy. The Kunos F1 in the video linked in the post above, for instance, has roughly 75% of the downforce of the real car (and that might even be on the high side, I don’t recall the exact value. A low-end estimate would be about 65%).
First point: sort of, yes.So, they put more mechanical grip on car like SF70-H and F2004 because of the things you mentioned?
I understand all your points and I cant comment any of them. But Assetto Corsa seems to me, a ordinary guy that never sit on a F1 cockpit, the best F1 simulator available on the market for ordinary people like us. I didnt drive too much on Rfactor 2, but driving the F2004 on Assetto Corsa or Lotus 98t is a blast experience. The various mods, from you and others are very good too.
So, Assetto Corsa cant handle precisily aerodinamic grip, but seems to me that the other variations are so good that is still a good sim to make F1 cars. Is this the case?
Obviously he is right, and how do you assume i'm thinking in any possibility to be a f1 driver? Just because im comparing my times with F1 driver times?
The point is that he said i would be slower in a real car as if im the only simracer in the world who would be slower.
Sometimes people don't need to say it directly to communicate something. If it wasn't the case, my bad.No, I didn't say you'd be the only one.
But what i mean is, if you're good in a simulator, you WILL be good IRL, as long as you adapt your body to g forces and not be afraid to crash.Don't forget skill and ability.
I would maybe...reconsider the last group of cars you mention in that statement. And really, to a lesser degree, all of them. Pretty good data can be found or calculated for F1 and LMP1 cars. There's no excuse for the Kunos LMP1s to be 80+ hp down on power when the regulations provide a maximum fuel flow and there's thermal efficiency data online for the Toyota TS030 and TS040.If you have real life telemetry and use real life data, you can get accurate results with AC.
That being said you're talking about F1/LMP1/GT3 etc where correct data is never going to be given to them no matter what game we are talking about AC/rf2/iRacing etc etc...
Car like SF70H in terms of aero is probably done on what dev feels is right. (which on aero is on low side) if you read racecar engineering magazine or sae paper.
That being said they are crunched for time (had one guy doing physics for 150+ cars) and do the best they can.
Sure but all of the things listed above have nothing to do with limitations of the simulation.But you accept that it is a simulator with limits.
I would maybe...reconsider the last group of cars you mention in that statement. And really, to a lesser degree, all of them. Pretty good data can be found or calculated for F1 and LMP1 cars. There's no excuse for the Kunos LMP1s to be 80+ hp down on power when the regulations provide a maximum fuel flow and there's thermal efficiency data online for the Toyota TS030 and TS040.
RSS has managed better accuracy with no manufacturer connections than Kunos did with a license and some data. The 2017 Mercedes F1 car, near the end of a straight, in an unknown aero config, had an ScZ (CLA) of 5.4 and an ScX of 1.35. The Kunos Ferrari isn't even close to that. The aero sensitivity on the LMP1s is way less than real life, their power levels are way off, inertia is off, tires are off, etc.
It was found by Gary on the internet... It’s literally a screenshot of telemetry data. Same deal as when Acura accidentally leaked Windshear data for the ARX-05 in its promo video. It’s better to spend a week on research and a day on the physics model than a day on research and a week on the model.That's very impressive with that little drag. Considering their frontal is lot bigger now.
How accurate is that data?
Its not like that kind of info is plastered all over the internet. That kunos dev could have found.
(shouldn't have mentioned LMP1. don't follow it)
It was found by Gary on the internet... It’s literally a screenshot of telemetry data. Same deal as when Acura accidentally leaked Windshear data for the ARX-05 in its promo video. It’s better to spend a week on research and a day on the physics model than a day on research and a week on the model.