Gear shift delay

[skk]

Hello,

I installed PnG3 + HQA + CCGEP a few days ago and have been enjoying the great combo. However, shifting gears in GTR2 happens with some delay. Unless I've overlooked a patch setting, I think it's a GTR2 quirk, which makes sense with semi-automatic cars, but is a bit unrealistic and annoying with H-pattern manuals when compared to all other sims I play or have played. After all, a gear is engaged in the transmission the moment you place the stick in position. But in GTR2, there is a delay of approx. 200 ms, which is enough to mess up one's timing. You may find yourself in neutral when shifting up with the clutch. It may also skew the revs on downshifts, and it's even more critical if you shift and rev-match clutchlessly and/or skip gears. It already destroyed a number of hot laps. Obviously, I had to adapt, but is there a way to eliminate the delay?

 

[jgf]

In the hdc files are adjustments -

UpshiftDelay=0.10 // delay in selecting higher gear (low for semi-automatic, higher for manual)
UpshiftClutchTime=0.005 // time to ease auto-clutch in AFTER upshift (0.0 for F1 cars)
DownshiftDelay=0.10 // delay in selecting lower gear (low for semi-automatic, higher for manual)
DownshiftClutchTime=0.20 // time to ease auto-clutch in AFTER downshift

 

[skk]

Thanks. So I have to edit the car files after all (possibly with the MultiEdit Tool)? Would that break online compatibility?

Interestingly, they say "higher for manual", which makes sense if I use paddles or auto/AI shifting. But otherwise the time is determined by my physical movements, which alone introduce some delay. Not sure what to make of all that.

 

[The Iron Wolf]

Thanks. So I have to edit the car files after all (possibly with the MultiEdit Tool)? Would that break online compatibility?

Interestingly, they say "higher for manual", which makes sense if I use paddles or auto/AI shifting. But otherwise the time is determined by my physical movements, which alone introduce some delay. Not sure what to make of all that.

200ms delay sounds pretty low to me, 5 engagements a second, but of course, everyone is different.

FWIW also check "Decoupled Physics mode"/decoupled inputs in CCGEP manual, this might improve input response a bit.

 

[jgf]

Thanks. So I have to edit the car files after all (possibly with the MultiEdit Tool)? Would that break online compatibility?

Interestingly, they say "higher for manual", which makes sense if I use paddles or auto/AI shifting. But otherwise the time is determined by my physical movements, which alone introduce some delay. Not sure what to make of all that.

Yes, you will need to edit all the hdc files to your liking, but the optimum settings may vary by car type.

The overall delay will be that setting plus the mechanical delay of your shifting, will probably be a bit of experimenting to find what you like (for example, when you move your shifter, where during that physical movement does the signal go to the sim signifying a shift has occurred - when you leave one gear? when you cross the neutral gate? or when you hit the stop for the next gear?)

I've not raced GTR2 online but am fairly certain hdc edits will trigger online checks.

 

[skk]

Yes, you will need to edit all the hdc files to your liking, but the optimum settings may vary by car type.

The overall delay will be that setting plus the mechanical delay of your shifting, will probably be a bit of experimenting to find what you like (for example, when you move your shifter, where during that physical movement does the signal go to the sim signifying a shift has occurred - when you leave one gear? when you cross the neutral gate? or when you hit the stop for the next gear?)

I've not raced GTR2 online but am fairly certain hdc edits will trigger online checks.

Yes, I'll definitely tweak it, because, for me, it's an artificial delay that breaks my flow and connection with the car; it doesn't feel like a manual to me. I sense with the body when I complete a shift. (And I hope we have shifters with FFB one day).

To illustrate what I mean, here is an example telemetry data from Assetto Corsa with Ford GT40. (The quick jerkiness in the telemetry is largely due to contact issues I started having with my pedals these days and will have to address - either the cable, or the pots need cleaning). Anyway, depending on gear ratios and which gear I'm in, I typically float to high gears (4>5 and 3>4) in about 100 to 140 ms, respectively; 240-270 for 2>3 (quicker with the clutch), downshift and blip in 220-250 ms, 450-500 ms if I skip a gear, 680-740 ms if I skip two gears, e.g. 5>2. That's my physical delay and rhythm, the time it takes me to move the pedals and the stick and to match the revs. When additional delay is introduced programatically, which I don't sense in any way, it affects my flow and I have to incorporate it mentally. For GTR2, I guess 0.02 to 0.04 would probably work for me.

EDIT: I set it to 0.04, which works great and improved consistency.