Any one looking for Behringer nx1000d.. jump on this deal!
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Thanks for springs link.
What is the bolt size to go with it?
BTW, another option for seat isolation that works wonders for me, more compact too.
What is the bolt size to go with it?
BTW, another option for seat isolation that works wonders for me, more compact too.
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M6 will work, I used M8 but if you want M8 you will need to open the hole on the washer inside the rubbers.
I had a similar solution (rubber isolators from Amazon) previously and it worked okay... But with these new ones it makes a big difference as the rubber is much softer.
I have the transducers (TST 239 + BK4-4) bolted to my chair and pedals. so I use the medium springs and it's to support light weight. If you will use to support the entire rig or heavy weight, you may want to use harder springs if the medium ones are too soft.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B096FKT52W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
I can speak from experience that the parts used in them are pretty expensive when you buy them yourself so it makes sense that they'd be pretty hefty once Simtag put some margin on it. Once you buy the parts for a damper, you'll quickly see that a lot of the cost is actually in parts used.
Relative to this thread, I'm selling an NX1000D in Australia if anyone has come here disappointed to find that the stock the thread was created for is now exhausted. Hit me up if you're interested. Excellent condition and of course in full working order.
Relative to this thread, I'm selling an NX1000D in Australia if anyone has come here disappointed to find that the stock the thread was created for is now exhausted. Hit me up if you're interested. Excellent condition and of course in full working order.
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Lets look at the broader picture....
You will find many spring-based isolation options available to buy or combine with rubber isolators, or pads, or additional sound-deadening materials. What you need may depend on what your circumstances are regards the tactile hardware you are using and if you only need to isolate a seat and pedals or if you also need to reduce as much of the vibrations from the rig going into the floor.
Lots of companies in different industries, globally sell different products for vibration control/soundproofing. Many of them contain springs, metal, and rubber combinations. When you start to look into options, you are going to find that some of them are not that cheap but its also hard to know which to buy or which combination of materials suits the usage case you require for your cockpit rig.
Now, regards Sim Cockpits, we see in recent years that profile-based rigs are among the most popular. Three brands come instantly to my mind.....
Simlab
Trak Racer
Heusinkveld
Why not, look through those and choose which one you think offers the best solution to install tactile, which kit has a nice dampening solution that seems most suitable to your installation requirements, and which allows different combinations and multi-unit installation of the two most popular tactile units for serious tactile enthusiasts? How do their product prices compare that are similar to what you are referring to?
One of the challenges with such is that a sim rig user may have high-end pedals, they may have a motion rig, they may have a motion seat. So the solution you come up with for the isolation, if you are seeking to sell something for those potential installation options. Needs to be possible to install on something very shallow like a VR3, it needs to be able to withstand the weight of a GS5, it needs to be able to isolate well but also not dip with various motions systems in operation and it needs to ensure the seat won't tilt back too much when someone with a stiff brake pedal needs to apply a lot of force. It also needs to then still ensure the tactile generated is not being diminished or feels worse rather than better with the solution being used.
So if someone comes up with a solution and tries multiple widths,lengths and types of springs to determine which is most suited for those scenarios. Then has beta testers for several months try these. Including in some accounts, race drivers and track day racers also among people used to test them and with a new approach with tactile effects on some very high-end rigs. From all this, you eventually can come back with a solution that appears to be optimal.
Yeah but its only rubber, its only a spring, its only washers and a bolt so indeed its very easy to copy and it's very easy to use whatever spring you want, but here lies the main problem. Most people don't want to have to buy and compare 2-3 springs to then have to rebuild their rig several times to then do tests before being able to determine for them and whatever their rig contains which is the best option. Sure they may be happy with the first option, but how do you know if that is the best option if you only try one?
Furthermore, let me just add that if a product is aimed at and designated primarily for owners of quite expensive tactile configurations. To aid them to install onto their often already quite expensive sim rigs, from what we see happening, then it appears they have absolutely no problems paying the asking price. They have already spent a lot more in other areas of their rigs and what they buy has to work well and be to a high standard. They are investing in the concept, based on reports and recommendations of others.
Time is money, they say...... its the same for any company selling anything. Staff need wages, bills need paid. Whatever you are shipping takes time to prepare and arrange to be delivered.
Its quite simple really, you see something you decide if you want it and you decide if the time and effort it saves you is worth the difference in money it costs to buy versus doing your own thing.
Nobody is offended or annoyed if others want to copy the idea shown, it was fully expected to happen for people seeking to do such at a lower price point. Many who may have a more budget tactile arrangement, so indeed it's harder for them to justify. Yet that does not mean it's right nor even fair to attack the solution that is being offered or those involved.
If then, it is any help........
The original solution of what I worked on, tested and developed is shown by a forum member I shared it with here from 2 years ago. I also helped to contribute to this rig's tactile installation here and offered a similar solution idea with this user.
That early attempt did not contain a spring but instead used an anti-vibration bobbin mount in between the two harder rubber donuts.
This can give pretty decent improvement over some solutions I see people doing but guys, install your tactile as direct to the seat mounts as possible, via a metal or steel plate, and then have your isolation below that plate. Reduce the amount of additional substance/material the unit itself is attached to which then attaches to the seat and applies the isolation between the plate and the main rig.
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