Mate, with that logic, racing is impossible. Drivers could always just force each other off the track and then yell that they were in front.
2019 Formula One Austrian Grand Prix
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Yes because 75% of his problems come from the team the other 25% remains unexplained.
Otherwise he is faster than Verstappen as Bottas is faster than Hamilton, Leclerc faster than Vettel and perhaps Norris faster than all.
Gwen Lagrue who is in charge of the young drivers in Mercedes team said in Paul Ricard that what Gasly should have to do was to stay behind Verstappen... It means a lot.
Verstappen is a political driver.
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Well, if they're equal then they're both equally entitled for a car width, or no?
There was a pretty similar situation between Rosberg and Hamilton in 2016 and guess how it ended? 10 second time penalty for causing a colission for Rosberg. I am all for hard racing, thatswhy I think that those rules are beyond stupid and should be burnt with fire, but if you have those rules then it is paramount to apply them with consistency. By the current set of rules, Max atleast needs to get a penalty for forcing the other driver off the track and thinking about the fact that he indeed caused contact, he would be lucky with 5 seconds. He wasn't even trying to make the apex. Now what I find more concerning is that they gave vettel the penalty right away during the race and in this case everything is completely different? F1 has become such a big bs fest, it's not even funny.
The FIA is in a lose-lose situation anyway after what happened in the F3 race (they penlized the winner by making contact in the same turn in a similar way) and canada.
Some people will complain that the FIA shouldnt decide races with penalties after the race. And some people will complain that the FIA is handing out penalties pretty much via dice roll and without a clear line of whats worth a penalty and whats not.
Some people will complain that the FIA shouldnt decide races with penalties after the race. And some people will complain that the FIA is handing out penalties pretty much via dice roll and without a clear line of whats worth a penalty and whats not.
he opened the steering wheel for the car to move 50cm-100cm more to the left - watch the onboard and focus on the details the stewards will find...easily.
I think, Max deserves the win. But the rules guys, the rules. He himself would have cried wolf in Leclercs car and imagine good old Lewis...."he pushed me, he pushed me, mommy!!"
I think, Max deserves the win. But the rules guys, the rules. He himself would have cried wolf in Leclercs car and imagine good old Lewis...."he pushed me, he pushed me, mommy!!"
so nothing changes then? if this gets a penalty racing is also made impossible so what do you want to have then? i would rather see cars pushing eachother to the limit or over it than not trying at all risking that you get a penalty for ending side by side and having slight contact
Sasha Jednak
Sasa Jednak
Come on guys, this wasn't the race. It's obvious they were filming stuff for Racing School: in 2 laps Leclerc and Max showed how TO DO and next lap how NOT TO DO it. 
I don't really see how is this different to SCH-MON...
I don't really see how is this different to SCH-MON...
Sasha Jednak
Sasa Jednak
Only one lap earlier they were racing hard and leaving space to each other. So it is obviously possible.
I am not for the penalties like this but it should be one now. 
Looks, like Red Bull build their car with just one track in mind, lol. Anyone already come up with a conspiracy theory for two Red Bull wins at Red Bull ring in otherwise mediocre seasons?
Anyway, first really fun race in f1 this year, great fights, stupid incidents (Ferrari pit, Hamilton nose), a feisty youngster (Norris), good stuff. Almost as much fun as the two Blancpain races at Misano this weekend
Anyway, first really fun race in f1 this year, great fights, stupid incidents (Ferrari pit, Hamilton nose), a feisty youngster (Norris), good stuff. Almost as much fun as the two Blancpain races at Misano this weekend
imo it's still hard but fair racing, but the situation as it ended is defenitely a gray area. trying to download the sporting regulations to find out what the actual rules are, but i'm not the only one as the FIA site is having server issuesOnly one lap earlier they were racing hard and leaving space to each other. So it is obviously possible.
trying to download the sporting regulations to find out what the actual rules are, but i'm not the only one as the FIA site is having server issues
Yet anther crash caused by Max Verstappen.
You know whats funny? I thought the same about the Ferrari after Spain. They were so far ahead with top speed that i thought to myself: "Hey wait a second. Maybe Ferrari just thought - screw the championship, we want to win Monza again' while designing the car"
I have lots of race replays on my hands to watch today, one of them is the blancpain that i have missed (both races), as it seems from your comment, the races were fun and i have to watchLooks, like Red Bull build their car with just one track in mind, lol. Anyone already come up with a conspiracy theory for two Red Bull wins at Red Bull ring in otherwise mediocre seasons?
Anyway, first really fun race in f1 this year, great fights, stupid incidents (Ferrari pit, Hamilton nose), a feisty youngster (Norris), good stuff. Almost as much fun as the two Blancpain races at Misano this weekend
i'm watching imsa race live now btw , pretty good race so far(i have started watching after F1 checkered flag) and it's free of charge to watch(outside us)
What I like to point out is that even if everyone would agree that the current rules take the excitement out of certain race situations those rules should be revised and then communicated to the drivers before the race.
If you tell Leclerc drivers are now allowed to push the outside car off track in a given manner/situation then Charles would have played his cards in a different way.
If you tell Leclerc drivers are now allowed to push the outside car off track in a given manner/situation then Charles would have played his cards in a different way.
AMAZING racing, very robust pass from Verstappen, and I am desperate for Leclerc to win but Verstappen won that through and through. Certainly not boring and well done Mclaren! Unbelievable pace from them. Sadly, because of the rule book I bet that Verstappen will get a penalty for crowding Leclerc off the circuit. Not how it should be at all, IMO that was great if not hard racing. BUT by the letter of the rule book it will be a penalty if they wish to be consistant.
I mean Verstappen not only left no space but also went all 4 wheels off himself. But I agree hard and fair racing and this is what we want to see, this is a rule issue and I want the result to stand, as I sit here in my Ferrari T-shirt with my Leclerc hathttps://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/
i would like anyone asking for a penalty to read this carefully. not a defenite answer on corner exit with inside-overtakes but we can read the following:
"If the driver on the inside is ahead at corner exit, it is the duty of the driver on the outside to back out or take evasive action to avoid a collision.
In this case, the driver on the inside is free to drift out towards the outside on exit. While they are expected to approximately follow the racing line — but not exactly, since they enter the corner on a tighter trajectory to a normal racing line — they have some freedom in selecting how aggressively they close out the other driver. Just how aggressive they can be falls into perhaps the most controversial gray area in modern racing."
and yes, max had the right to the racing line:
A. Attacker more than half-way alongside
In this case, the attacker is definitely more than halfway past the defender at the apex. The attacker has the right to the racing line. A collision at the apex is entirely the fault of the defender.
this is hard but fair racing, end of story
stewards meeting at 17:00 GMT. we'll soon know the answer
browsing through the 2019 sporting regulations i can't find a single answer on what the rules are if cars are side by side at corner exit, max followed the racing line but could he had been more to the right? i'm not that sure. it was not deliberate forcing leclerc of the track, more a result of how the track goes after the apex, as it's not fully 90 degrees the exit is pretty narrow... defenitely gonna be an interesting decision
browsing through the 2019 sporting regulations i can't find a single answer on what the rules are if cars are side by side at corner exit, max followed the racing line but could he had been more to the right? i'm not that sure. it was not deliberate forcing leclerc of the track, more a result of how the track goes after the apex, as it's not fully 90 degrees the exit is pretty narrow... defenitely gonna be an interesting decision
