You would be a good soccer hooligan, we don't want this at any motorsport venue, that's for sure.
2019 Formula One Austrian Grand Prix
- Thread starter Paul Jeffrey
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I would be a great "football" hooligan if I actually watched that tripe.
Except LeClerc DID move over giving Max the opportunity to overtake him and take the racing line .
Verstappen completely missed the apex, went too wide, made contact and pushed Leclerc off track. Although I grant him the victory for driving a fabulous race, his action is punishable according the regulations. Actually Leclerc should've defended on the inside; he left the door wide open.
Vettel's penalty in Canada too was stupid and still it was awarded because that's what's written in the rulebook.
Today, if it turns out to be a penalty, it won't be any different. A stupid penalty, but one that is against of what's written in the rulebook and as such, "rioting" now will be as pointless as it was in Canada.
Last year Vettel impeded Sainz in Q1 and despite Sainz already qualified (thus he didn't really need the lap he ruined), he still got penalized for it.
Yesterday, Hamilton impeded Raikkonen in Q1, same track, different corner, and the too was penalized because that's what's written in the rulebook.
Instead of crying (pro-Leclerc or pro-Verstappen, it's all the same), the "negativity" should be aimed at the rulebook, not at the stewards for applying what's written in it. If they change the rules, these stupid penalties will go away. But if they don't change the rules, this endless moaning on social media and otherwise will always and forever be meaningless as it's not really their fault for applying the rules.
"Fans" often accused them of being inconsistent for well over a decade at the very least. For once that they finally actually act consistently across different races with different stewards, people still find a reason to verbally harass and threaten them.
It was a good race, Verstappen won on merit but made a dumb overtake taking a risk he didn't need to. With the pace he had, he could've passed Leclerc in the pitlane and still win the race by a margin. But with 2 or 3 laps to go, especially at that age, he's still too immature to think straight and stay focused on more than just the short-term benefit of things. He had all the time in the world, but he wanted to do it as soon as possible. That's the mistake he will probably pay for if they penalize him.
But if they don't give him a penalty (that should be there according to the rulebook), it will set a really really really bad precedent, considering how controversial things got in Canada as recently as 4 weeks ago.
Today, if it turns out to be a penalty, it won't be any different. A stupid penalty, but one that is against of what's written in the rulebook and as such, "rioting" now will be as pointless as it was in Canada.
Last year Vettel impeded Sainz in Q1 and despite Sainz already qualified (thus he didn't really need the lap he ruined), he still got penalized for it.
Yesterday, Hamilton impeded Raikkonen in Q1, same track, different corner, and the too was penalized because that's what's written in the rulebook.
Instead of crying (pro-Leclerc or pro-Verstappen, it's all the same), the "negativity" should be aimed at the rulebook, not at the stewards for applying what's written in it. If they change the rules, these stupid penalties will go away. But if they don't change the rules, this endless moaning on social media and otherwise will always and forever be meaningless as it's not really their fault for applying the rules.
"Fans" often accused them of being inconsistent for well over a decade at the very least. For once that they finally actually act consistently across different races with different stewards, people still find a reason to verbally harass and threaten them.
It was a good race, Verstappen won on merit but made a dumb overtake taking a risk he didn't need to. With the pace he had, he could've passed Leclerc in the pitlane and still win the race by a margin. But with 2 or 3 laps to go, especially at that age, he's still too immature to think straight and stay focused on more than just the short-term benefit of things. He had all the time in the world, but he wanted to do it as soon as possible. That's the mistake he will probably pay for if they penalize him.
But if they don't give him a penalty (that should be there according to the rulebook), it will set a really really really bad precedent, considering how controversial things got in Canada as recently as 4 weeks ago.
And the next race we will be looking for more penalties. See who gets penalised next. Will the drivers avoid penalties the next time ? Penalty for the win. This race was full great penalties. The season of penalties, the sport of penalties. And the time we had so many overt... pnalisations, racing is great. Such a great move by the driver [x] forcing the driver [y] into the penalty, such a great move. The penalties action is great.
Leclerc left the track, saying nothing, so???????
If he hasn't, verstappen would have hit him even harder and it would've been a dnf for both.
By the way , Ive just looked at the footage of the move that got Hamilton a grid penalty , and while I'm certainly no Hamilton or Mercedes fan that grid penalty was ridiculous . Hamilton drove off the track to get out of Raikonen's way ! How on earth can that be deemed a penalty ? SO you're damned if you go for it and youre damned if you get out of the way . What is this sport becoming ? They either need to change the rules , change the stewards or both because it's just becoming a farce .
Leclerc didn't leave the track, he was pushed off track.
Let them race. Amen
It’s official Max wins. The race stewards have announced their decision.
“No further action on the Lap 69 incident between Verstappen and Leclerc for the race lead.”
“No further action on the Lap 69 incident between Verstappen and Leclerc for the race lead.”
He borked raikonen's hotlap and it was helpful to prepare max podium.
Just politic.
I'am talking about je leaving home, after talking with the stewards!
From Leclerc's point of view that's understandable; he was angry about the situation.I'am talking about je leaving home, after talking with the stewards!
Ah, I see. Thanks, this puts a different spin on things then.
