2012 Formula One Spanish Grand Prix

Ho3n3r · May 12, 2012

Hampus Andersson said:
I´m not sure if you are just playing or if you really are that dense.

Nothing dense about it mate, just plain logic

If you can't see it then I can't help you.

GAIAjohan · May 12, 2012

Hampus Andersson said:
Nobody is disputing that...,

The problem is the penalty. It seems people are ok with Hamilton having his own personal penalties.

If it was Alonso the same penalty would've been applied.
I'm just sick of the Calimero behaviour of Hamilton fans.
Always complaining that others have it less worse, complaining that others have a better car, complaining about even more,.
Jeez, grow up and take your responsibility..

Hampus Andersson · May 12, 2012

Under the rules, drivers are supposed to return to parc ferme under their own power and with a minimum of one-litre of fuel on board to be able to supply a sample to the FIA.

It is not acceptable for drivers to stop early simply to save petrol for the sample - because that would give them a competitive advantage as they could run with less fuel, and therefore less weight, during their qualifying lap.

Following a directive issued at the 2010 Canadian Grand Prix, after Lewis Hamilton and McLaren were given a reprimand and a $10,000 fine for stopping deliberately on a slowing down lap after qualifying to save fuel, the FIA has made it clear that only genuine technical problems would be acceptable.

Changing the penalty rules as they please i see.

Markus Neumann · May 12, 2012

Hampus Andersson said:
The problem is the penalty. It seems people are ok with Hamilton having his own personal penalties.

Provide an example where someone didn't get penalized in spite of article 6.6.2, which, as I have stated before, only applies to qualifying.

Hampus Andersson · May 12, 2012

Johan Top said:
If it was Alonso the same penalty would've been applied.
I'm just sick of the Calimero behaviour of Hamilton fans.
Always complaining that others have it less worse, complaining that others have a better car, complaining about even more,.
Jeez, grow up and take your responsibility..

Nope he would not have gotten the same penalty.

Another one is Eric Vergne. Failed to scrutinize the car, penalty? Nothing....

Xosé Estrada · May 12, 2012

Making an absurd use of racism claims makes no favor to the ones suffering it.

ENDR · May 12, 2012

Johan Top said:
Always complaining that others have it less worse, complaining that others have a better car, complaining about even more

I'm not a Hamilton fan, but you can't deny that his last two races were rather unfortunate for him, without any fault on his side.

Button wasn't all too happy with the team either.

GAIAjohan · May 12, 2012

Hampus Andersson said:
Changing the penalty rules as they please i see.

Nope, applying new rules when new mazes are being found and used.

Ho3n3r · May 12, 2012

Hampus Andersson said:
Nope he would not have gotten the same penalty.

Another one is Eric Vergne. Failed to scrutinize the car, penalty? Nothing....

Why did McLaren not appeal the decision then? Media reports say that McLaren have accepted the decision.

Xosé Estrada · May 12, 2012

Victor Ivanov said:
I wonder what could it be if it was Alonso...

Heeeey it's happened, strange I didn't hear any penalties...

That wold not only be penalized, but attacked from British press and call him cheater?

If there was a driver in this years breaking the rules without punishment was LH, I don't understand how anybody can play the victim with him LOL

GAIAjohan · May 12, 2012

Hampus Andersson said:
Nope he would not have gotten the same penalty.

Another one is Eric Vergne. Failed to scrutinize the car, penalty? Nothing....

He would.

About Vergne:

However, after meeting with the stewards and explaining why he failed to stop, the FIA handed the Frenchman a reprimand rather than a grid penalty or exlusion from the race as per the regulations.
The FIA explained that "upon realising the error, the team, under supervision of a scrutineer, brought the car back to the FIA garage."

Something completely different as well..
You can't compare apples and oranges. He got a reprimand for it being the first time.

But you shouldn't forget how strong a lie works in your disadvantage.. Lies about technical problems while there is none won't give LH an advantage..

Joao Borges · May 12, 2012

This rule wasn't there before, and now it exists to prevent this kind of situations to happen. McLaren had agreed to it. So, it's McLaren's fault for not putting enough fuel. Plain simple.

However, I find the penalty a bit harsh. They should have put Hamilton down to 10th not at the back of the grid. It's not like he violated any rules during Q1 and Q2 so why exclude him from Qualifying?!

GAIAjohan · May 12, 2012

But they should add another rule:

Drivers who don't set a time in Q3 have to start the race on rain tyres in case it's dry..
And they have to start on hard dry tyres when it's raining.

That will teach them..

Hampus Andersson · May 12, 2012

Johan Top said:
Nope, applying new rules when new mazes are being found and used.

It was identical to Canada 2010.

Hampus Andersson · May 12, 2012

Johan Top said:
He would.

About Vergne:

Something completely different as well..
You can't compare apples and oranges. He got a reprimand for it being the first time.

But you shouldn't forget how strong a lie works in your disadvantage.. Lies about technical problems while there is none won't give LH an advantage..

He wouldn´t.

And had Hamilton forgot to scrutinize his car he would probably be banned from F1.

GAIAjohan · May 12, 2012

Hampus Andersson said:
It was identical to Canada 2010.

Yes and after Canada the rules were made 100% clear. So McLaren and Hamilton knew it now.. They did it a second time and have a big problem now.

I don't see a problem.

Hampus Andersson · May 12, 2012

Dewald Nel said:
Why did McLaren not appeal the decision then? Media reports say that McLaren have accepted the decision.

Because there´s no point in doing so.

FIA has set their mind to F Hamilton in the ass and they did.

GAIAjohan · May 12, 2012

Hampus Andersson said:
He wouldn´t.

And had Hamilton forgot to scrutinize his car he would probably be banned from F1.

Nope, but after all the stuff he's been doing he might have been set back on the grid. He has had enough reprimands during his career. So maybe these kind of punishments will finally teach him.

Hampus Andersson · May 12, 2012

Johan Top said:
Yes and after Canada the rules were made 100% clear. So McLaren and Hamilton knew it now.. They did it a second time and have a big problem now.

I don't see a problem.

So you can change penalty as you like then. First time i heard that one.

They never said that if this happens again, you will be disqualified from the session.
Again, he got the same penalty as someone crashing into another driver on purpose or parking your car in the middle of the road in the middle of a session.

This is not consistent one bit.

Hampus Andersson · May 12, 2012

Johan Top said:
Nope, but after all the stuff he's been doing he might have been set back on the grid. He has had enough reprimands during his career. So maybe these kind of punishments will finally teach him.

Ahh because it´s Hamilton who personally fuels the car....

He should have kept his P6 spot. His first timed lap was enough for 6th and he had more then enough fuel as he went back into the pits after that.