David Garcia
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Yeah I was meaning Q1, not Q3.
Please, do not compare Kubica with the awful Villeneuve!
Please, do not compare Kubica with the awful Villeneuve!
2012 Formula One Australian Grand Prix
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Something that no one mentioned, Webber qualifed ahead of Vettel. :o
And that Maldonado made it into Q3. :o
And that Maldonado made it into Q3. :o
Will the teams start to copy the design of the F duct of the Mercedes, i 'm thinking so and then the design will be banned next year and so it goes
Already mentioned and yes, it´s bloody fantastic
Where you at Vettel?
Man this year will be incredible, and the best thing is that the race haven´t even gotten under way yet!!
Where you at Vettel?
Man this year will be incredible, and the best thing is that the race haven´t even gotten under way yet!!
What is Rubens Barrichello was here he would of been on pole then
then
David Garcia
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Vettel has gone from the famous pole finger to this...
Hahaha David, +1
Qualifying was his weak point when having Maldo as teammateWhat is Rubens Barrichello was here he would of been on pole
Just saying,
Awesome results, looks like there are four cars able to challenge for the front - we seem to be in for one treat of a year.
Mercedes was particularly impressive and their sick straight line speed will probably even allow them to overtake other cars in the first DRS zone. If Schumacher can get past Grosjean at the start and hang on to the McLaren until lap three, there will be one heated battle for victory. It might be like Monza, but with much higher stakes
As far as their "F-Duct" goes:
I also wouldn't rule Raikkonen out unless he does something stupid. He still got all his sets of soft tires and Mark Webber proved last year in China where you can get to from P18
Mercedes was particularly impressive and their sick straight line speed will probably even allow them to overtake other cars in the first DRS zone. If Schumacher can get past Grosjean at the start and hang on to the McLaren until lap three, there will be one heated battle for victory. It might be like Monza, but with much higher stakes
As far as their "F-Duct" goes:
I can definitely see the point of view RB and Lotus have here. It depends on how you read the word "uses". If you interpret it as "actively doing something", then Mercedes is fine. If the word is meant more along the lines of "makes use of", then the protest might be justified. The system is passive and only interacts with DRS in a different way than every other car - but you could hold the view that even that might be illegal. Then again, apart from Charlie Whiting and Mercedes themselves, nobody actually knows with 100% certainty what it does...
I also wouldn't rule Raikkonen out unless he does something stupid. He still got all his sets of soft tires and Mark Webber proved last year in China where you can get to from P18
yes, but the drs is specifically mentioned as an exception, so if they're using that to activate it i don't see what the problem is
They didn't think of it first, that is what the problem is.
Anyone have Hamnilton´s Qual lap?
It mentions the parts necessary for the activation of DRS. That doesn't necessarily mean everything the DRS does is allowed. After all, the little air intakes they have in the wing definitely are not necessary for the activation of DRS.
On a different note: Webber, Vettel and Rosberg are only separated by 3 hundredths of a second :eek:
On a different note: Webber, Vettel and Rosberg are only separated by 3 hundredths of a second :eek:
But the DRS does nothing except loosing drag. It has essentially nothign to do with the Merc system.
Imagine building a wing that will transport air and blow it on the beam wing, That is 100% legal.
the holes used for transporting this air is hidden under the DRS flap. Also legal.
So when DRS does it´s work, the rear wing will work as designed in the first place.
I can´t see anything wrong with it to be honest.
Anyway, enjoy the first two races and listen to the ecstatic commentator Not bad for a rookie!!
Imagine building a wing that will transport air and blow it on the beam wing, That is 100% legal.
the holes used for transporting this air is hidden under the DRS flap. Also legal.
So when DRS does it´s work, the rear wing will work as designed in the first place.
I can´t see anything wrong with it to be honest.
Anyway, enjoy the first two races and listen to the ecstatic commentator
Not bad for a rookie!!That was my point. The reason why the Mercedes system is in my opinion legal, is NOT because of the part in the regulations mentioning DRS, but because their system isn't driver activated and only benefits from something else which is driver activated. However, as I said already, I think it can also be read Red Bull's way. Charlie Whiting however already signaled that he has the former view. But unfortunately it wouldn't be the first time for the FIA to make a U-turn on what is allowed and what isn't.
True however i can't see the issue Renault and RBR sees.
It's an innovation just like EBD, Double diffuser, F-duct etc.
Renaults brake system was actually illegal so that is a different matter but i think that is the reason why Renault protests.
As Merc did with Renault.
It's an innovation just like EBD, Double diffuser, F-duct etc.
Renaults brake system was actually illegal so that is a different matter but i think that is the reason why Renault protests.
As Merc did with Renault.
I was simply trying to provide a better argument for their protest rather than "they're sore losers and are unhappy because they didn't think of it first". That may be the case, but they still wouldn't lodge a protest without a valid technical reason.
That reason, as I said, is probably that they are reading the rule like this:
Hence it would stand to reason that it is illegal.
As I stated before, I do not share this view. But my opinion doesn't matter. It's ultimately about how the FIA sees it. I am merely trying to illuminate Red Bull's point
That reason, as I said, is probably that they are reading the rule like this:
They see the Mercedes F-Duct as a system. They view the activation of DRS and the Mercedes F-Duct, two DIFFERENT systems, as a driver movement. It seems obvious that the Mercedes F-Duct actually alters the aerodynamic characteristics of the car.
Hence it would stand to reason that it is illegal.
As I stated before, I do not share this view. But my opinion doesn't matter. It's ultimately about how the FIA sees it. I am merely trying to illuminate Red Bull's point
After today its at least explained why Mercedes GP skipped the first test sessions of the year Ross Brawn is back
Ross Brawn is back 
interesting result, at least looking at the grid straight on won't look tooo bad because 2 of the 4 not utterly ugly noses are up there. It looks like a Button win with Vettel, Webber, Schumacher and Hamilton fighting for the other podium spots. Nice to see Benneton, oh sorry, Renault, oh sorry Lotus, so far up front, great show.
I also expect Kimi to end up in top10.
Hoping FIA will let HRT on grid, they need all the tracktime they can get, especially old man Rosa will be able to give detailled feedback even if he only stays out for 50 laps or so.
I also expect Kimi to end up in top10.
Hoping FIA will let HRT on grid, they need all the tracktime they can get, especially old man Rosa will be able to give detailled feedback even if he only stays out for 50 laps or so.
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