RaceRoom Super Touring Update Is Live: Full Changelog

Andi Goodwin · 2024-12-10T16:27:48+0000

Peter Conway said:
mademoiselle

and wrong again ; want to go 3 out of 3 ?

Andi

Kevin Troschinski · 2024-12-10T17:11:58+0000

Peter Conway said:
Oh, pardon me for having eyes and a keyboard

i forgive you

If thats a reason to avoid this content ... well thats your right and your choice. It´s bit nick picking

anthony monteil · 2024-12-10T17:45:46+0000

Peter Conway said:
Looking at a few pics of the real Supertouring cars these ones do look a little high.

Exactly like in real life when they're not speeding. Super touring suspensions are made to provide a maxed ground effect, so their chassis only really get low when they reach enough speed to trigger the aero. It works the same in Raceroom, the ST cars will look lower in the fastest sections of tracks

Shannon Flynn · 2024-12-10T18:09:53+0000

I also wanna know more about this track debris thing. I tried to get sand all over the tarmac this morning but didn't really see any results. Didn't try for TOO long, but it should've been enough

Trebor901 · 2024-12-10T18:33:50+0000

Really hope they add the mondeo, laguna and vectra in future

Andi Goodwin · 2024-12-10T18:38:27+0000

Trebor901 said:
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Really hope they add the mondeo, laguna and vectra in future

how dare you not mention the 850 station wagon, estate/break etc etc

Andi

Trebor901 · 2024-12-10T18:59:05+0000

Andi Goodwin said:
how dare you not mention the 850 station wagon, estate/break etc etc

Andi

To be honest never been a fan of the 850 estate. Vauxhall cavalier wouldn't go a miss though or the Peugeot 405

There are a few bugs with these cars I've seen already the 98 btcc livery volvo s40 for some reason has Volvo and Q8 logos faintly showing on the black rear bumper trim and the big word Volvo is missing from across the bumper

Andi Goodwin · 2024-12-10T20:22:28+0000

Trebor901 said:
To be honest never been a fan of the 850 estate. Vauxhall cavalier wouldn't go a miss though or the Peugeot 405

There are a few bugs with these cars I've seen already the 98 btcc livery volvo s40 for some reason has Volvo and Q8 logos faintly showing on the black rear bumper trim and the big word Volvo is missing from across the bumper

there are no btcc liveries , there are RAC tourist trophy ones though

i believe

Andi

Trebor901 · 2024-12-10T20:26:32+0000

Andi Goodwin said:
there are no btcc liveries , there are RAC tourist trophy ones though

i believe

Andi

There are btcc liveries, the Paula Cook Honda, the Robb Gravett Honda among many others and the RAC Tourist trophy didn't happen with touring cars after 97, 98 it was held at silverstone with "prototypes" of the time

Peter Conway · 2024-12-10T20:46:44+0000

I don't know why you're all getting so upset about the height of these things, it's not going to matter when you're inside, so does it matter if they have a little more ground clearance than the cars of the time?
It's not like it's going to change the physics.

Peter Conway · 2024-12-10T21:02:45+0000

Kevin Troschinski said:
i forgive you If thats a reason to avoid this content ... well thats your right and your choice. It´s bit nick picking

I don't remember ever saying it was a reason to avoid the content or the game or anything, I merely agreed that the cars didn't seem as low to the ground as they were in the time of racing... you however didn't say that you disagree which is your right, but instead chose to pick up on this as an attack on a game studio and yapped at the authors as though we were beign toxic... there was no need!

Lets be civil going forward, please!

Kelvin Rast · 2024-12-10T21:24:12+0000

anthony monteil said:
Exactly like in real life when they're not speeding. Super touring suspensions are made to provide a maxed ground effect, so their chassis only really get low when they reach enough speed to trigger the aero. It works the same in Raceroom, the ST cars will look lower in the fastest sections of tracks

Really? How does that work? Sounds pretty fancy to me.

Large Style · 2024-12-10T21:27:26+0000

Well I've tested all of the ST cars now (around Raceroom Raceway, National) and in all honestly I'm a little disappointed.

While I admit to not knowing much at all about these cars, going by the trailer they looked a fun handful to drive around, and for me they weren't. The Volvo's had the most varied and informative feedback, but they were slower than I was expecting, much more forgiving too with handling that's predictable to the point of being a touch bland (with no oversteer drifts as in the trailer) and while they seem like a decent and solid inclusion to Raceroom in general, I just wasn't having much fun. They're only around 30bhp less than my favourite in Raceroom, the DTM'92 Merc 190E, but the difference felt clearly more than that not only in power but also in the toned-down hairiness factor. I did one race in the 190E around the same track straight after testing the ST cars - that car was so lively in comparison and I was immediately having a right hoot balancing oversteer, understeer, lock ups, dealing with slides and snaps etc.

I'll revisit the ST's before long to give them another chance as I feel that I've somehow not gotten the most out of them. My opinion might also change once I'm actually racing other cars and not just hotlapping, but based on my two relatively short sessions today, they're not an insta-buy for me.

If anyone has a different / more positive conclusion on how they drive then I'd love to hear others' experiences and thoughts.

Gotta shout out though how awesome it is to try all these cars before you buy though - a very generous and unique system offered by the devs which I'm very grateful for.

anthony monteil · 2024-12-11T05:47:02+0000

Trebor901 said:
To be honest never been a fan of the 850 estate. Vauxhall cavalier wouldn't go a miss though or the Peugeot 405

There are a few bugs with these cars I've seen already the 98 btcc livery volvo s40 for some reason has Volvo and Q8 logos faintly showing on the black rear bumper trim and the big word Volvo is missing from across the bumper

There is no actual BTCC liveries in this pack. We had to modify some liveries for licensing reasons

anthony monteil · 2024-12-11T05:55:03+0000

Kelvin Rast said:
Really? How does that work? Sounds pretty fancy to me.

The car is simply getting lower because of the aero pressure and the suspension settings. It's quite common on many race cars, but this was pushed to extreme with the super touring cars. These things were using a lot of F1 technology in all areas, hence the huge costs which sadly led to the end of this fantastic series.
I strongly recommend to read the Supertouring regulation http://www.supertouringregister.com/regulations/ aswell as the individual cars FIA homologation forms http://www.supertouringregister.com/documents/ . They're a mine of knowledge about the pinnacle of touring cars in this era.

prplmnky · 2024-12-11T06:01:07+0000

Large Style said:
Well I've tested all of the ST cars now (around Raceroom Raceway, National) and in all honestly I'm a little disappointed.

While I admit to not knowing much at all about these cars, going by the trailer they looked a fun handful to drive around, and for me they weren't. The Volvo's had the most varied and informative feedback, but they were slower than I was expecting, much more forgiving too with handling that's predictable to the point of being a touch bland (with no oversteer drifts as in the trailer) and while they seem like a decent and solid inclusion to Raceroom in general, I just wasn't having much fun. They're only around 30bhp less than my favourite in Raceroom, the DTM'92 Merc 190E, but the difference felt clearly more than that not only in power but also in the toned-down hairiness factor. I did one race in the 190E around the same track straight after testing the ST cars - that car was so lively in comparison and I was immediately having a right hoot balancing oversteer, understeer, lock ups, dealing with slides and snaps etc.

I'll revisit the ST's before long to give them another chance as I feel that I've somehow not gotten the most out of them. My opinion might also change once I'm actually racing other cars and not just hotlapping, but based on my two relatively short sessions today, they're not an insta-buy for me.

If anyone has a different / more positive conclusion on how they drive then I'd love to hear others' experiences and thoughts.

Gotta shout out though how awesome it is to try all these cars before you buy though - a very generous and unique system offered by the devs which I'm very grateful for.

They are much stiffer and lower and pointier than Group A cars as they're specially-designed racing cars and not race-prepared homologation vehicles. They don't drive with anything like the same kind of slip angle. They are faster than the DTM '92 cars over a lap despite having less power; braking distances are much shorter and cornering speeds much higher which means you need to be right on the limit at all times to be competitive. If you are at the limit I assure you they are plenty hairy and will bite you. I've had massive moments on power in the BMW and found it quite controllable and certainly possible, albeit slow, to hold power oversteer in plenty of situations. You are both entering slip much slower and exceeding that slip a good deal faster than in a Gr. A car, the envelope is significantly narrower.

Marwedel · 2024-12-11T06:45:05+0000

I still feel this Sim is quite under rated - as far as pure driving goes it is right near the top of my list, just behind ACC but with MUCH more variety/tracks/cars/classes. It doesn't have as many "bells & whistles" i.e. no wipers, no rain, no night driving - but the AI racing is solid and the audio quality of the engines (they literally roar, clank, squeak, and rattle so authentically) is second to none.

Boby Kim · 2024-12-11T07:05:43+0000

R3E goes TOCA II

Kevin Troschinski · 2024-12-11T07:56:56+0000

Peter Conway said:
I don't remember ever saying it was a reason to avoid the content or the game or anything, I merely agreed that the cars didn't seem as low to the ground as they were in the time of racing... you however didn't say that you disagree which is your right, but instead chose to pick up on this as an attack on a game studio and yapped at the authors as though we were beign toxic... there was no need!

Lets be civil going forward, please!

You're making more of it now than necessary. Nothing happend all good.

Yakkem · 2024-12-11T10:26:31+0000

Awesome content, really.
That's a really massive improvement for RaceRoom in the last months.
The only little miss is Peugeot/Renault, but maybe in the future ?

Anyway keep up the good work KW !

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