Column: Adapting to Load Cell Pedals

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After recently purchasing a set of Thrustmaster T-LCM pedals, Angus is learning to adapt to the new load cell tech. Here is his story so far and how he's getting on.

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Before anything else, the first sim racing hardware upgrade must be pedals. At least that is what anyone on forums will tell you with load cell hardware bringing greater feel for improved consistency.

So with that in mind, I decided to trawl the classifieds last weekend and made an impulsive purchase. No, I didn't follow the entire community's - and my own - advice. Instead, I went ahead and got myself a full Thrustmaster bundle feature three wheels, the T818 Direct Drive base, TH8A shifter and yes, the T-LCM load cell pedals.

Surprise, surprise, the sudden switch led to an immediate drop-off in pace, sudden loss of feeling on the brakes and plenty of crashes. So I am back to square one in my sim racing journey, learning how to adapt to my setup. Here is how I'm getting along so far along with a few tips I have found to others having difficulty with load cell.

A new, yet already dusty set of Thrustmaster T-LCM load cell pedals.

A new, yet already dusty set of Thrustmaster T-LCM load cell pedals. Thank you to the cat!

Adapting to Load Cell brakes​

As I say, it hasn't been long since I actually picked up the collection of second hand sim racing parts. On the way back from a family weekend, I took the opportunity to stop off and pick up the new gear on Sunday evening. Not one to waste time, it wasn't long before my old T3PA and T300RS had been chucked aside as a start to my girlfriend's rig and the new bits found their way onto my GT Omega stand.

Within a short hour, the PC was booting up, Le Mans Ultimate was loading and a Hypercar hidden away in the car list was unknowingly awaiting its doom. No, you're right. I probably picked the worst title to start off with new pedals. But it's my go-to right now, okay?

Setting up the SF1000 wheel's dials, knobs and switches may have delayed the inevitable, but come the first braking zone, I was well and truly in the gravel trap. An evening of trial and error ensued with lots of error. By the end of which, I was wondering if I had made a dramatic mistake.

Practicing brake feel in LMU is frustrating.

Practicing brake feel in LMU is frustrating.

Always Google your problems​

Fortunately, it only took me a day or two to remember my own advice as I typed "T-LCM brake too hard" into Google. Straight away, results of countless others in my predicament appeared pointing me in the direction of the pedals' software, something you don't think of after jumping away from standard springs.

Here, after realising a USB connection was required, I managed to set a more appropriate braking force, somewhere in the region of 50-odd kg. No, that's not particularly impressive compared to the F1 drivers of the sim racing world running twice that. But with a desk chair and a less than effective seating position, it allows me to actually reach 100% whilst still avoiding lock-ups.

Now that I can hit a correct brake force, I am finding the pedals to be far more enjoyable. However, I do still struggle with the ultimate feel of where I am in the range. However, load cell pedals are all about the pressure rather than the travel. As such, there is always going to be a time of adaptation needed I feel until getting back to my usually send-y self. In fact, on my previous set, those around me will have noticed my late braking nature, especially in defence. One day, I will return as the last of the late brakers.

How did you find the transition from springs to load cell? Do you have any advice for Angus and others going through a similar journey? Let us know in the comments.
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Two things stuns me right away.

Instead, I went ahead and got myself a full Thrustmaster bundle feature three wheels, the T818 Direct Drive base, TH8A shifter and yes, the T-LCM load cell pedals.
Surprise, surprise, the sudden switch led to an immediate drop-off in pace, sudden loss of feeling on the brakes and plenty of crashes.

It's a major surprise to me.
Going from my T3PA's included with the T300RS-GT bundle and playing a bit with LC'ing my G27 with less success, the T-LCM's was a clear step forward to me in relation to precision braking. This even without my usual finetuning of every hardware as per sim as per car.

...it wasn't long before my old T3PA and T300RS had been chucked aside as a start to my girlfriend's rig and [...]

Having a partner who is also your soulmate in sim racing surely sounds like heaven to me! :inlove:
 
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I've had my T-LCM's for going on 4yrs now and after getting used to the feel I've never looked back. Picked up considerable time at every track and still today I'm getting better at using them. I definitely echo the sentiments of all who recommend upgrading to a loadcell. My only regret is not being able to afford a more upmarket set right from the start.
 
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I went to the original Fanatec Clubsports from the Logitech G25 pedal set.
The difference was immediately apparent.
The ability...after just a few corners to brake and trail consistently was almost second nature.
Take the time to do a few slow laps to get a feel for how much braking is required to slow the car...and by how much.
Gradually brake later and later...using first the 100 then the 50 board...with light open-wheel cars.
Try the same with a heavy tin-top but this time use the 200 then 100 board.
Remember...the goal here is not to go as fast as you can, it is simply to gain a baseline for muscle memory.
That variance will give you a feel for the load-cell very quickly.
 
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.Take the time to do a few slow laps to get a feel for how much braking is required to slow the car...and by how much.
This.
I think this tip should be used in general.
Nomatter if it's new pedals, new wheel base, new handbrake, or new sim or just new car within same sim.
Think it's all way back to Grand Prix 3 and GPL when I went from keyboard driving to real FFB I've had this take on anything new content/hardware.
Universal tip.
 
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Those things are amazing! In the not-so-far-back past when I was using my modded g29 pedals, I bought a bunch of those -all different types from different sellers claiming different hardnesses. The best ones I found were from a guy on ebay that prints and sells two types. A "GT" style and an "F1" style, theyre yellow.

Ive been wanting to make a write up on how to fit them to the g29 pedals because honestly, they were the best pedals I ever used but heres not the place.

Anyway, yes, those little mods are awesome!

-But a small tip if you do look into the ones Im recommending, the F1 style ones are VERY stiff. I stayed with the GT style.
 
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Those things are amazing! In the not-so-far-back past when I was using my modded g29 pedals, I bought a bunch of those -all different types from different sellers claiming different hardnesses. The best ones I found were from a guy on ebay that prints and sells two types. A "GT" style and an "F1" style, theyre yellow.

Ive been wanting to make a write up on how to fit them to the g29 pedals because honestly, they were the best pedals I ever used but heres not the place.

Anyway, yes, those little mods are awesome!
Having 4 different strengths as well really helps, as well as you can tune the brake I’m strength on your pc with the TLCM s, so you get a balance between simmy and not gonna run out of legs at 2 am at the end of a double stint
 
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When I changed from my G27 pedals to Heusinkveld Sprints I had the same experience that it didn't improve my fastest lap times instantly. That was a bit disappointing. But after a few days it was obvious that I became more consistent as the muscle memory did it's work. So although it wasn't a tsunami of the new PB's, my performance in races improved, not so much with low powered cars but a lot with cars with a lot of power.

And the immersion is so much better.
 
There is another mod with rubber spacers.
Mounted right from the box with the red soft spacers. Throttle spring upgraded to a thicker wire.
Can`t setup inversed with T300RS-GT base in T-LCM mode using USB connection. T-LCM mode for inversed pedals only with the RJ12 cable.
From time to time (maybe twice a week) T-LCM mode switches off alone and i have to switch it on again (holding MODE button + Left Paddle two seconds).
The pedals are a great improvement, much better than the HF8 pad. Still learning but times improved a lot. With the old pedals i was blocking wheels very easily when braking.
 

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Thank you for sharing your experience with us. During the pandemic I got back to simracing and I had, at the time, a hybrid setup with a T300 and G25 pedals. It worked but didn't get me far after a year racing at RD's Multiclass Club Races. I decided back then to upgrade to a TS-PC and T-LCM pedals and boy that made a difference in consistency... but the learning curve was steeper than I thought. After trying several combos with the springs and the 3D-Rap brake mod (which I very much recommend) I got much more consistent and confident, and thus enjoyed my races a lot more.

I got the T818 on week 1 of release (first batch, still going strong... knocks on wood) and managed to get a set of Fanatec's V2 pedals before things went south with their deliveries. I had to adjust again having a bit more stiff of a brake pedal, but load-cell brakes (regardless of brand) are worth the investment as an upgrade. And I'd say they have more impact on consistency than the jump to Direct Drive from a belt/gear wheelbase. Jimmer said that first, and I can vouch that those words are true.

 
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I had a similar upgrade path years ago, so here's another +1 for "I thought this was going to make me better, what's happening?" :D
I went from the pedals that come with the G920 to the T-LCMs, also on a wheel stand. Took me a few days, but then, consistency was much better, just like most previous posts also showed. At the time, I was playing ACC a lot, and the main takeaway there was that it was much easier to brake just under the threshold of the ABS kicking in. On the non-LC pedals, that ad been a guessing game at best.
 
I went from G25 to HE Sprints. Night and day change. I also had the luck of cancel the Fanatec CSL Elite V1 Pedals in the begin of the pandemic because of extended time delivery.
Even if we fell right away the immense difference between the pedals, it also true a period of a few weeks is needed for good adaptation.
 
Recently just went through the exact same after having T3PA pedals for just under 9 years I've now jumped to the T-LCM and wow the first couple of days I was questioning If I'd make a mistake buying these, but after that don't regret it one bit. Still need to find some of my pace back but getting there. My biggest find personally is the consistency is so much better and trail braking much more intuitive. I still think I'd be quicker using the old T3PA as you can effortlessly dab the brake with no pressure to make a correction or whatever but obviously that's not realistic
 
Two things stuns me right away.



It's a major surprise to me.
Going from my T3PA's included with the T300RS-GT bundle and playing a bit with LC'ing my G27 with less success, the T-LCM's was a clear step forward to me in relation to precision braking. This even without my usual finetuning of every hardware as per sim as per car.



Having a partner who is also your soulmate in sim racing surely sounds like heaven to me! :inlove:
It's more so the adaptation to a new feeling that I'm not used to rather than a loss of feeling. That's what I try to explain later on.

And yes, I'm a very lucky chappy.
 
Made the switch when the pedals that go with the t500 folded. bought the T-LCM to stay in the same bubble, one evening of carefully reading the setup guide and some posts here at RD and I was good to go. Never looked back. My question: how often do you guys clean them or do they need no cleaning at all?
 
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Guys here a complete noob, but is a electric loadcel sensor mod not a better conversation then rubber.
 
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After installing a Bass Shaker under the pedals, I have wanted to upgrade to a brake pedal with Load Cell, but I have come across this information and would like to know if anyone has encountered this type of problem in their setup.

More info: link

Impact of Vibration and External Forces​

Vibrations are like invisible waves shaking the precision out of a load cell. In bustling environments like manufacturing floors or drilling sites, vibrations from machinery can travel through structures and into load cells. These can cause them to give readings that seem to jump around, leading to inaccurate results.

Aside from vibrations, other forces like side loads or torque can also affect a load cell’s readings. If a load cell is designed to measure weight directly downward but receives a force from the side, its readings may be far off. This misdirection of forces leads to skewed data. Recognizing these issues means you can position and shield your load cells appropriately, reducing the impact of errant vibrations and forces.
 
I'm appreciating all these comments. I've not fired up a racing sim for a year or two but have dusted off my old Thrustmaster TMX and - shudder - the awful two-pedal set it shipped with. Decided this morning I need to invest in TM's load-cell pedals and reading the comments here have made my mind up for me!
 
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I'm in the process of shopping around for a set for a mate and as there have been a number of new manufacturers popped up I'm going to do a lot more research than I did 4yrs ago. The T-LCM's have risen in price by $150AU here since then so I'm thinking there may be a better option.
 

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