Automobilista 2 v1.5.5.4: More Battle-Happy AI, Wet Tire Fixes

mounirbo said:

We are not gamers. We are simracers.

Developers must understand that and stop taking us as Forza or GT idiots.

We must be without mercy toward anything that is not simulated correctly.

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All the power to you. Meanwhile, I'm gonna race F1s at Road America, because real life can f**k off.

Not in F1 2023 I hope.

mounirbo said:

We are not gamers. We are simracers.

Developers must understand that and stop taking us as Forza or GT idiots.

We must be without mercy toward anything that is not simulated correctly.

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Yup, elitism has always taken us further.

mounirbo said:

Guys, there is only one fun in a simulator.

The fun of realism.

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Well then have fun playing sod all, because NO game in existance is fully realistic. They all fudge and guesstimate data somewhere in the code!

maybe a useless reply, but after Ayrton's passing I watched De Ferran until he retired, his Havoline "5" and Penske. It was the first 'news' of 2024 which made me incredibly sad especially since nobody here (Netherlands) knew or cared for him. I'm Brazilian-American btw. anyway really appreciate the tribute and AMS rocks. even though people complain, it's a great sim and if the career drops it's a wrap. Appreciate the work and respect to the Brazilian drivers Reiza, since you're one of the few. Muito bem, obrigado Renato e Reiza, salute

For me AMS2 is more like rFactor2 than Assetto in terms of handling these days. With all of Assetto mods, you will find a car you fall in love with eventually but it's no more realistic or simlike than AMS2.

They're all games and I've never cared enough about any software to hate it or slam it. What's the point, who cares?

AMS1 had simpler calculations for physics but for me it's probably number one after RBR in terms of realism. I rate realism in terms of predictability of physics and how clearly they are translated to me through my wheel. AMS2 after recent improvements does that well, with custom FFB from the forums.

Disclaimer; this is my opinion only but I have 3 seasons racing a vintage DTM Mercedes which I built out of cushions and cardboard boxes on my sofa so...

I care.

Yogi99 said:

For me AMS2 is more like rFactor2 than Assetto in terms of handling these days. With all of Assetto mods, you will find a car you fall in love with eventually but it's no more realistic or simlike than AMS2.

They're all games and I've never cared enough about any software to hate it or slam it. What's the point, who cares?

AMS1 had simpler calculations for physics but for me it's probably number one after RBR in terms of realism. I rate realism in terms of predictability of physics and how clearly they are translated to me through my wheel. AMS2 after recent improvements does that well, with custom FFB from the forums.

Disclaimer; this is my opinion only but I have 3 seasons racing a vintage DTM Mercedes which I built out of cushions and cardboard boxes on my sofa so...

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Very reasonable take in my book. AMS2 delivers on the one thing I look for most these days, that's the seat of your pants, edge of the seat feeling of hustling a car around a track. rF2 checks that box in a nearly identical manner for me. It's all voodoo and black magic when it comes to trying to predict, quantify and then code how tires are going to react at the extreme limits...it's hard enough for engineers in real life racing to wrap their head around, on the sim racing side it's a pick your poison approach by devs and try to refine and run with it. All the loud claims of realism this and true-to-life that are hard to take too seriously considering the complexity of the topic and the fact that very few, if any folks making the claims have seat time in the real life versions of the cars in question. Professional racing drivers can't agree on which sim does it best because they are all flawed in one way or another.

If you make the correct assumption that all of the sims we love are fudged to a certain extent, then it should all boil down to which one(s) give you that "holy crap" experience of being a moment away from losing the car when pushing hot laps. Nobody is hopping out of their sim of choice and into the real version of the same car and pushing the limits on their first laps. We do not have that kind of fidelity or accuracy at our disposal in early 2024.

TomLehockySVK said:

P.S. - AI at 110 and MAX aggression. Especially the AI always giving room to the player no matter what seems to have been improved, as well as the AI wanting to drive side-by-side a lot more and not give up.

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I had a 20 lap GT3 @110 and Max aggression race and the AI never gave up. Best AI experience I've ever had.

tpfitz said:

After the last update, I have stuttering issues that makes the game unplayable, the same ones that occur if you go to your desktop while in game and come back and try to play.

Crossing my fingers that this issue will magically disappear after this update the same way it magically appeared after the last.

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check your windows updates. The clowns at MickeySoft pushed an update last week that is conflicting with some graphics drivers.

RayTruant said:

check your windows updates. The clowns at MickeySoft pushed an update last week that is conflicting with some graphics drivers.

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Thanks. I rolled back my Nvidia driver to one in October (randomly chose) and its fixed.

Mazdaspeed said:

I agree on the AI losing their ability to overtake and the pack racing on single seaters (haven't really driven a lot of tin tops to see if they have the same issues). However they still do mistakes, they just changed the half spin tank slappers on corner exit, to mistakes on corner entry. I have seen some pretty spectacular crashes from the AI losing it under braking, they look much more natural than before.

But I do agree that the AI has regressed in their overtaking ability, still I am hopeful they can improve it.

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I please someone else has noticed Mazz, you can feel like a pariah when you have an objective criticism of AMS2. Re tin tops, not particularly my thing, but GM uploaded a vr video the other day and that was a race of GT3's racing round in pairs stuck to each others bumpers like the bad old days making little attempt to overtake and no sign of drafting, so there are definitely issues that have been introduced with the last updates.

I rather enjoyed the the wheelspins on corner exit as it kept me concentrating and not taking AI bots for granted - thankfully as you say there are still some AI mistakes but overall it feels much more on rails again. The desire to have them not run over grass or kerbs seems to have made they extremely reluctant to step out of the racing line.

In an ideal world they'd be different AI parameters for single seats and tin tops so they would retain some unique characteristics.

As you say, lets hope they keep on improving it, and hopefully find something a little more dynamic again, don't want to have to return to iracing again for my offline thrills.

numbersevenhull said:

I please someone else has noticed Mazz, you can feel like a pariah when you have an objective criticism of AMS2. Re tin tops, not particularly my thing, but GM uploaded a vr video the other day and that was a race of GT3's racing round in pairs stuck to each others bumpers like the bad old days making little attempt to overtake and no sign of drafting, so there are definitely issues that have been introduced with the last updates.

I rather enjoyed the the wheelspins on corner exit as it kept me concentrating and not taking AI bots for granted - thankfully as you say there are still some AI mistakes but overall it feels much more on rails again. The desire to have them not run over grass or kerbs seems to have made they extremely reluctant to step out of the racing line.

In an ideal world they'd be different AI parameters for single seats and tin tops so they would retain some unique characteristics.

As you say, lets hope they keep on improving it, and hopefully find something a little more dynamic again, don't want to have to return to iracing again for my offline thrills.

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FYI, they just released another beta build with further refinements and calculations for AI in such scenarios where there has been a regression. The work has not stopped on the search for its improvements

pai said:

FYI, they just released another beta build with further refinements and calculations for AI in such scenarios where there has been a regression. The work has not stopped on the search for its improvements

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Excellent, that's lovely to hear, cheers

RayTruant said:

I had a 20 lap GT3 @110 and Max aggression race and the AI never gave up. Best AI experience I've ever had.

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At the same track, or?
+10 years ago when I mingled a bit with AIW lines in rF1 I discovered that just tiny AIW work could do a world of difference. Hence, my thought is that this goes as well for Reiza as per track AIW work. Ofc in general overall AI behaviour able to block you is still primarily an AI emulation thing, but even for some sections at my home built fantasy rF1 tracks I experienced aggressive and "live" AI's.