rFactor 2 Christmas DLC Completed With Porsche 911 GT3 Cup (992)

Brilliant news. A fab Christmas present. I for one think Rfactor2 is doing a grand job.

Just keeps getting better and better. The BTCC cars are superb to drive and make for amazing online racing.

Don't drive GT3s often, but boy I'm looking forwards to this one.

Seeing this DLC makes me think:



-What business model is best FOR YOU as a sim racer?

1- Frequent DLC? (Where the devs themselves tell you that the content you purchased became out-dated as planned obsolescence, like RRRE, rF2).

2- Time subscription? (where you purchase the sim and they take it from you a month late, like iR).

3- A new sim every year? (where they divide the user base and the online numbers, like F1 22).

4- A new sim but every longer period of time (where there are struggles, bugs and needed time to make the sim working, like GT7, ACC).

5- A new sim but every longer period of time (but where they release the sim in a complete/ ready state and start working on a newer sim after they release the sim, like pC2, DR 2.0).


Ps, the intention isn't to tell the negatives for the sake of negativity, the intention is to reflect on whether you like DLC or you think there is a better way of doing it.

Well frankly yawn another Porsche. Other than that thank you 387 for continued progress

"Are you looking forward to the Christmas DLC?"
No.

"And what do you think rFactor 2 will do with the hybrid system?"
Le Mans Hypercars.

azaralamouri said:

2- Time subscription? (where you purchase the sim and they take it from you a month late, like iR).

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That's' only for the base content, next to that you (need to keep) buying content.
So its 1 and 2 combined.

I would like a real Sim subscription service.
One standard price a month, all content just comes with the subscription.

azaralamouri said:

Seeing this DLC makes me think:



-What business model is best FOR YOU as a sim racer?

1- Frequent DLC? (Where the devs themselves tell you that the content you purchased became out-dated as planned obsolescence, like RRRE, rF2).

2- Time subscription? (where you purchase the sim and they take it from you a month late, like iR).

3- A new sim every year? (where they divide the user base and the online numbers, like F1 22).

4- A new sim but every longer period of time (where there are struggles, bugs and needed time to make the sim working, like GT7, ACC).

5- A new sim but every longer period of time (but where they release the sim in a complete/ ready state and start working on a newer sim after they release the sim, like pC2, DR 2.0).


Ps, the intention isn't to tell the negatives for the sake of negativity, the intention is to reflect on whether you like DLC or you think there is a better way of doing it.

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1 is good if the price of a DLC pack is not comparable to the price of the base game. AC did it well in my opinion.

2 would also be good if it wasn't combined with 1 both in paying as well as outdated stuff...

3 is what it is. As long as it sells it won't change. Still, there should be at least some small progress each iteration.

4 is not very good but applies to pretty much all recent sims, combined with point 1...

5 is also not very good because the sim loses its "freshness" pretty fast. I prefer racing stuff that is currently raced IRL.

So my opinion is 1 is best if the price of content does not significantly exceed the price of content in the base game (e.g. if for 40 Euros you get 100 cars in the base game, 10 addtional cars should not cost 40 Euros). Of course we cannot expect price parity with base content, but it should be somewhat reasonable. If it's good value and good quality if will sell very well anyway, since simracing is very dry now. Just so we are clear this "calculation" is hard to make with R3E or rF2, but considering the whole market we can somewhat calculate what is a reasonable price in general. And arguments like "hurr durr you bought a DD wheel for XY $" should not have any effect on the price of content.

Staying a bit on topic as well because nowadays RD is very sensitive to it, I do not have the old Porsche (bad quality data display), with this one the data display seemed fine-ish from the trailer. I would not mind getting this pack with the Astra if the price is reasonable, and given the skins are not terrible. But if I decide for rF2 shopping it's gonna be a big shopping cart. I should try the AI improvements from a couple of months ago first...

azaralamouri said:

Seeing this DLC makes me think:



-What business model is best FOR YOU as a sim racer?

1- Frequent DLC? (Where the devs themselves tell you that the content you purchased became out-dated as planned obsolescence, like RRRE, rF2).

2- Time subscription? (where you purchase the sim and they take it from you a month late, like iR).

3- A new sim every year? (where they divide the user base and the online numbers, like F1 22).

4- A new sim but every longer period of time (where there are struggles, bugs and needed time to make the sim working, like GT7, ACC).

5- A new sim but every longer period of time (but where they release the sim in a complete/ ready state and start working on a newer sim after they release the sim, like pC2, DR 2.0).


Ps, the intention isn't to tell the negatives for the sake of negativity, the intention is to reflect on whether you like DLC or you think there is a better way of doing it.

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1 & 4 for me.
I love the frequent updates to rFactor & RRRE. But I can also appreciate the long term high quality stuff from ACC

each track and car are superior to any game, what a pleasure this game !

azaralamouri said:
Seeing this DLC makes me think:

-What business model is best FOR YOU as a sim racer?

1- Frequent DLC? (Where the devs themselves tell you that the content you purchased became out-dated as planned obsolescence, like RRRE, rF2).
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That car look so similar to the last Porsche Cup car I purchased from URD.
Is that who is building it on behalf of S397?
As to DLC...
I don't mind it, as long as it is reasonably priced relative to the main game's price..
It also needs to have the ability to price adjust for cars which were previously purchased but are being re-bundled with additional new content.
I do not own some of the RF2 cars I'd have purchased, simply because there is no way to credit what I've already purchased.
I've done it with a few modding packs but that too, is starting to wane.
As to pricing....
If for instance the main title sells for $40, then any single car should not be more then $3-4.
A single track can be $5-7.
Remember....this isn't being sold to one individual.
It is being sold to thousands....if priced properly.
It can be quite the double-edged sword.
I like Kunos' approach.....keep developing the base sim over years, while offering decently sized and priced DLC.
No drip feeding one or two cars every few months at significantly higher pricing to make it appear cheaper.

No, thanks !

The king is dead !

People need to quit bitching on this forum on literally every post going. Really tiresome

if you like it, you buy it
if you don't, you don't

why do people always bother in trying to make a point that won't make any difference for the "other side" after all

I will be buying this the second it's out, the 991 Cup in RF2 is by far my favourite car in any sim, so expectations are high! I hope it will come in Supercup spec without ABS as well. Who needs driver assists anyway.

Jasje said:

why do people always bother in trying to make a point that won't make any difference for the "other side" after all

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Both sides do that.

Also, in the article we were asked to let them know in the comments below:
"Let us know in the comments below!"

Terry Rock said:

Why does that car look so similar to the last Porsche Cup car I purchased from URD?
Is that who is building it on behalf of S397?
I don't mind DLC, as long as it is reasonably priced relative to the main game.
It also needs to have the ability to price adjust for cars which were previously purchased, but are re-bundled with new content.
I do not own some RF2 cars simply because of that inability.
I won't do that on principal alone.
I've done it with a few modding packs but that too, is starting to wane.
As to pricing....
If for instance the main title sells for $40, then any single car should not be more then $3-4.
A single track can be $5-7.
Remember....this isn't being sold to one individual.
It is being sold to thousands....if priced properly.
It can be quite the double-edged sword.
I like Kunos' approach.....keep developing the base sim over years, while offering decently sized and priced DLC.
No drip feeding one or two cars every few months at significantly higher pricing to make it appear cheaper.

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URD = 4€ car without license, it's fine for you.
s397 = 5€ car with license, taxes and simulator development. It's too expensive for you, it would be 3 or 4€.

Terry Rock said:

Why does that car look so similar to the last Porsche Cup car I purchased from URD?
Is that who is building it on behalf of S397?

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This part is opinion: i think it looks nothing like the URD car
This part is fact: no, URD didn't make it

The car looks great but for me I don't see the point of getting a second CUP and for that I'll pass. I hardly drive the current one as I am more of a OW fan. Q1 was the last DLC I bought and it's getting easier to skip on stuff I don't need.

azaralamouri said:

Seeing this DLC makes me think:



-What business model is best FOR YOU as a sim racer?

1- Frequent DLC? (Where the devs themselves tell you that the content you purchased became out-dated as planned obsolescence, like RRRE, rF2).

2- Time subscription? (where you purchase the sim and they take it from you a month late, like iR).

3- A new sim every year? (where they divide the user base and the online numbers, like F1 22).

4- A new sim but every longer period of time (where there are struggles, bugs and needed time to make the sim working, like GT7, ACC).

5- A new sim but every longer period of time (but where they release the sim in a complete/ ready state and start working on a newer sim after they release the sim, like pC2, DR 2.0).


Ps, the intention isn't to tell the negatives for the sake of negativity, the intention is to reflect on whether you like DLC or you think there is a better way of doing it.

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I prefer they keep working on the sim until the code is pretty stable and then add content as the series they are representing and technology evolves. I gave up on F1 because of year after year of issues that were never fixed.

F1 and ACC have the ability to be long term because as series change, they can create new content and keep the code strong. AC, AMS2 which just dumps tracks and cars will have a shorter life span because you can't keep just dumping cars and tracks with no real purpose other than, "here's a new track and a new car". Rfactor 2 is kind of the nomad to me. It sits somewhere in between. It doesn't follow a series but tries to follow a few popular ones. It doesn't have all cars, but tries to include new ones. It needs a facial but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a surgeon willing to do the work.

Nice car!!

Terry Rock said:

Why does that car look so similar to the last Porsche Cup car I purchased from URD?
Is that who is building it on behalf of S397?

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URD typically makes models for Kunos, S397, Reiza (if im not wrong) and formally SMS.

Cheesenium said:

URD typically makes models for Kunos, S397, Reiza (if im not wrong) and formally SMS.

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pretty sure you can add formerly to kunos, its been a long time since URD made anything for them afaik. Dunno about the rest.