Ferrari VGT9 officially unveiled

Turk said:

I would like to see car companies use sims to let people try prototypes, but the higher end of the market just isn't interesting to me anymore. Electrics have made numbers meaningless, any car can have 1000 horse power now. I just find it harder and harder to get excited by cars I'll rarely ever see never mind the fact I'll never get to drive one.

I'd be much more interested in cheaper prototype cars that aren't chasing stupid performance numbers. That use electric to get back to more old school driving pleasure.

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Gone are the days when a 500 bhp Cobra ruled the road as would a God, now everything has that ability and even better but (far less awesome) acceleration, electric stinks to a Petrolhead.
But we need the mundane Electrics on the road so we can have old world Petrol on the tracks.
Historics rule.

Never cared about hyper-cars, wouldn't care about this super-duper shtick as well. Gimme normal car any day.

XRRoy said:

The problem is, GT is "The Real Driving Simulator" as they advertise it, and the normal cars in it are already unrealistic enough compare to Assetto Corsa, with Vision GT into the mix, why not just add the ridiculous drift and call it Ridge Racer 8?

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Guess what? there is a Nintendo Switch racing game called GRID Autosport, it was advertised to be a racing simulator but the handling wise feels even more arcade than Gran Turismo 7, Forza Motorsport Reboot and Codemasters' F1 series.

Edit: Anyway, the Gran Turismo series could come to PC in the near future.

Turk said:

I would like to see car companies use sims to let people try prototypes, but the higher end of the market just isn't interesting to me anymore. Electrics have made numbers meaningless, any car can have 1000 horse power now. I just find it harder and harder to get excited by cars I'll rarely ever see never mind the fact I'll never get to drive one.

I'd be much more interested in cheaper prototype cars that aren't chasing stupid performance numbers. That use electric to get back to more old school driving pleasure.

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Toyota actually did do this a few years back to their credit. Over GT5 & GT6 we got the FT86 concept car through to the final Toyota GT86 but yeah it would be nice to see more manufactures doing so

These 'Concept' cars and 'One Off's' are a bit of a joke in most cases, Even the wonderful Lamborghini Miura they have, it's the Prototype chassis so when you take it into a race you see another 'Exactly the same chassis number car as a competitor, Why in God's name not just take a Generic Miura, the new Ferrari VGT is in reality going to be a museum piece, so how are we supposed to accept that it's gonna be on track and likely duplicated?
It's too late now I guess, but I for one would have preferred PD stay a little closer to reality,

The story goes that Kaz was kicking his feet up at Polyphony when his boss called him into the office and asked him for his idea for his work project, Kaz thought quickly 'on the spot' and said, "I want to drive my car on the TV" and what we got was the reasonable 'that',
Now I understand that he's got richer, and his cars are different, but Manufactures are producing VGT concept rubbish and flooding the game with fictional physics, and hell, young kids believe that to tune a 66 Mustang carburettor you chip it! that is not teaching kids anything about Motoring and it's Heritage.

Pete Conway said:

But we need the mundane Electrics on the road so we can have old world Petrol on the tracks.
Historics rule.

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Who says that? The media? There's no future for EVs. At least not for battery powered ones. Unless of course every single western country builds a bunch of nuclear powerplants, or covers every square inch of land and a large part of their seas, with solar panels and wind farms (like in Blade Runner). Nope. EVs are already dead.
The only EVs that might make it into the future, is hybrids like the Mirai, using hydrogen. But if Toyota tackles the hydrogen storage problem, hydrogen could replace petrol altogether, as a combustible fuel. And they are getting close and closer to a solution.

GTxForza said:

Guess what? there is a Nintendo Switch racing game called GRID Autosport, it was advertised to be a racing simulator but the handling wise feels even more arcade than Gran Turismo 7, Forza Motorsport Reboot and Codemasters' F1 series.

Edit: Anyway, the Gran Turismo series could come to PC in the near future.

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Forget about GRID Autosport, that was the most BS game in the series I've ever played.
(Good thing I didn't buy it.)

But yeah, GT would be a even bigger shot if Yamauchi is smart enough to bring it to PC - if they remove the online-exclusive save and that stupid credit upper cap.

In 4 years it will be made for real, remember that!

Why do 80% of all concept cars look like ****?
Whats wrong with the designers of these cars?

turbo86 said:

Who says that? The media? There's no future for EVs. At least not for battery powered ones. Unless of course every single western country builds a bunch of nuclear powerplants, or covers every square inch of land and a large part of their seas, with solar panels and wind farms (like in Blade Runner). Nope. EVs are already dead.
The only EVs that might make it into the future, is hybrids like the Mirai, using hydrogen. But if Toyota tackles the hydrogen storage problem, hydrogen could replace petrol altogether, as a combustible fuel. And they are getting close and closer to a solution.

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Absolutely, yes, Electric cars are a stopgap, but if that allows sustainable fuels Petrol driven cars on the track and occasional use, I'm all for it, the world and his mate can say "look we're saving the world so go enjoy polluting with your old cars"

As for Hydrogen, of course it's the way to go, I remember the 'old' Top Gear episode where James May went to the States and drove the Honda Hydrogen car, it was generic ugly but it did what a petrol car did, 40mpg, 120mph, 5 seats, plus good luggage, and filling it up was the same effort as petrol, the storage and distribution needs looking at but Yeah, that's the way to go, but... investors have to get their wedge from the dead end battery first.

One word: Soulless.

XRRoy said:

Forget about GRID Autosport, that was the most BS game in the series I've ever played.
(Good thing I didn't buy it.)

But yeah, GT would be a even bigger shot if Yamauchi is smart enough to bring it to PC - if they remove the online-exclusive save and that stupid credit upper cap.

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Not to mention that GT also needs to be a hardcore Sim racing game for PC so a lot of people will love it.

Here is the GTPlanet article link of it:

Ferrari said, we have the McLaren Solus GT at home

SYZRP said:

Ferrari said, we have the McLaren Solus GT at home

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Just imagine though, you take your New McLaren Solus in its £1 million transporter down to Donington for a track day, everyone stands around and says "wow"
Now, you can't be slower than the rabble cos you'll look like a waster, so, you give it the 'big un' Flash through the Craner curves and run out of talent at the old hairpin, spend the rest of the day cleaning out the gravel and warding off questions about repair costs.

Typical RaceDepartment reaction: to complain about Vision Gran Turismo cars not being founded in realism when that is the whole idea of the project, all while spending hundreds of dollars in equipment for a video game. Oh, the irony.

They come up with these crazy designs for GT yet the Le Mans hypercar with the most open regulations ever is a bog standard LM prototype.

Leonardo Chaves said:

They come up with these crazy designs for GT yet the Le Mans hypercar with the most open regulations ever is a bog standard LM prototype.

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Hypercar is still in its infancy, just wait a few more years. 2025 onwards will probably see some crazier designs as vehicle and racing technology develops.

XRRoy said:

The problem is, GT is "The Real Driving Simulator" as they advertise it, and the normal cars in it are already unrealistic enough compare to Assetto Corsa, with Vision GT into the mix, why not just add the ridiculous drift and call it Ridge Racer 8?

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The new game is sadly ages away from being Assetto Corsa realistic style, but it offers a good enough experience when you remember its a goddam game and with a wheel it really makes you feel like your driving a car instead of a bike (like on the old ones). Comparing it to Ridge Racer, and despite I really love that series, is a total insult to all the physics improvement it has achieved on its newest installment. But for real those vision GT fit more an arcade game like Namco or Sega good memories with those 400-500kmh cars.

I had to go check in my kitchen to make sure that Ferrari didn't steal one of my Cuisinart slicing wheels for their rims.
All clear. My potato slicer attachment is still there but it looks a lot like those rims.

jdcp2205 said:

The new game is sadly ages away from being Assetto Corsa realistic style, but it offers a good enough experience when you remember its a goddam game and with a wheel it really makes you feel like your driving a car instead of a bike (like on the old ones). Comparing it to Ridge Racer, and despite I really love that series, is a total insult to all the physics improvement it has achieved on its newest installment. But for real those vision GT fit more an arcade game like Namco or Sega good memories with those 400-500kmh cars.

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Not sure about the "with a wheel" part since, from what I experienced, GT Sport force feedback is really bland compare to Assetto Corsa, it feels like the game is only trying to pull the wheel against the direction you're in, physics are too forgiving, too - there's no way I can fully sending a street car or even a GT3 car through Quiddelbacher Höhe in AC like I do in GT Sport.
But still, using the same G29 in GT6 and GT Sport feels way different, so maybe GT7 feels even better... who knows?
And yes, Vision GT are cool, indeed, but they will be even cooler if their physics model is adapted to real life.

While I don't hate the game itself, it was those bad decisions like online-exclusive save and upper credits cap that drove me away from actually get my hands on it.