Automobilista 2 Updated to Version 1.3.3.0, Adds New Cars and Road America

Kyuubeey said:

The problem is when people think about how things ought to be without actually knowing how they are. I keep getting told my heating is unrealistic because it is so dynamic; and to be fair on AMS2, they get similar criticisms sometimes.

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I've wondered about this a million times as I read various forums. People complain about how the sidewalls feel on tires, etc, and I wonder, "How do you know that it is unrealistic?" I know that there are exceptions, but I think that most people are really saying, "This doesn't act like my favorite sim that I'm used to, so I think it's unrealistic." It might be, but the big problem is that it's different.

Jason Chamberlain said:

I've wondered about this a million times as I read various forums. People complain about how the sidewalls feel on tires, etc, and I wonder, "How do you know that it is unrealistic?" I know that there are exceptions, but I think that most people are really saying, "This doesn't act like my favorite sim that I'm used to, so I think it's unrealistic." It might be, but the big problem is that it's different.

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I think it is just due to the strong opinions like I said.

Funnily enough, AMS2 *feels* good to me. Even if it's not really entirely accurately done and it has a lot of stupid sliders and whatever, the FFB in the cars I tried is generally okay and the car behavior on turn-in and mid-corner is not bad anymore. Kinesthetically it's not really different from what it should be.

My gripes with it are more conceptual things that most people won't understand, and in terms of a concrete thing I think there are some slipcurve problems that influence how exit acceleration yaws the car. If that got fixed then it would be quite good (In subjective behavior, the params might still be super messed up); although due to those conceptual things I am not sure how possible it is to correct a potentially very complicated combined grip transient behavior in exit without messing up the car elsewhere. Old ISImotor has a similar issue, but it affects the entry phase more in my experience.

Anyone else find the F-Retro Gen3 (1983 F1 cars) completely undrivable? They have understeer and oversteer at various parts of the corner, they're snappy, they're twitchy, the brakes are RIDICULOUSLY sensitive. And no amount of setup tweaking seems to help. These things drive like how every car drove when AMS2 first came out. There has to be something wrong with the physics. I get that this was the first year of ground effects being banned but holy hell, I just have no confidence in the car.

Always hopeful, always disappointed. Still late, still buggy.

without doubt they need to improve the sim, reiza urge a social media guru

Apparently, F1 cars in the past had Ice Cubes for front tires.

I've not done any online racing for nearly a decade and although occasionally I miss it I generally prefer just jumping into this game and doing a quick race against the AI or to build a championship and run through that.
This game rarely disappoints as an offline racer, I almost always have fun and there are 6 or 7 classes of cars that I enjoy regularly racing. That still means there are a quite a few I tend to avoid but in comparison to the RACE07 series, where I spent 90% of my time in the S2000 cars its pretty good.
I'm not the biggest single seater fan but the US cars are fun and I love racing anything at Road America. I hope we see Sonoma come in the next US DLC.

There are still things that bug me - the Super V8s aren't as enjoyable as in AMS1 (although that might partly be down to that game having the modded version with the Ford and Nissan). Also the multiclass championship scoring not working correctly, at least last time I tried I wasn't.

I'm interested to see what comes next, I'm still getting everything free after backing them prior to AMS1 so wondering if once the season pass is complete will there be bigger packs?

In Reiza's own poll for what cars would you like to see they included Super Touring which won by some margin, as of yet there is no hint to whether that will actually happen but many of the other options in the poll have made it into the game already.

BlkJello said:

How about something constructive to say? Didn't mummy ever tell you that if you don't have anything nice to say.... then don't say anything....or stfu

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Ironic, if you don't like controversial comments, maybe turn off the internet?

ChevyGuy566 said:

Anyone else find the F-Retro Gen3 (1983 F1 cars) completely undrivable? They have understeer and oversteer at various parts of the corner, they're snappy, they're twitchy, the brakes are RIDICULOUSLY sensitive. And no amount of setup tweaking seems to help. These things drive like how every car drove when AMS2 first came out. There has to be something wrong with the physics. I get that this was the first year of ground effects being banned but holy hell, I just have no confidence in the car.

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They do have a very stiff suspension (probably legacy of the 1982 cars that we're glorified go-karts). What you describe sounds more like a pedal calibration issue than anything else, apart from being a very bumpy ride I didn't find them harder to drive than the other FRetros and significantly easier to drive than the FClassic Gen 1.

As promised earlier in this thread.
Just had a little time with AMS2 regarding latest update incl. the hotfix update.

At first a little off-topic:
Haven't tried the 1974 Porsche 911 RSR after the FFB+ feature was introduced long ago. What a blast! Using this car driving out Road America first time on the new bend version became "Sliding USA" for me And again I'm just a mortal never having had the opportunity to be behind the wheel of the real deal- but it FELT absolutely right. Though the mitigation of tyre modelling is feeling like a quite different approach than equal mods for AC, GTR2 and rFactor, it just feels right, expecially using full FFB forces on my mid range T300RS-GT wheel.

Speaking immersion I felt as being the infamous Stefan Roser driving the Yellowbird RUF CTR at Nordschleife in 1987 (think most here knows the YT video, otherwise look it up).
Hell, this is fun - I'll advice to cut off any kind of nanny tools/aids. SO redeeming!

The new track:
Road America (both versions), is IMO a great job.
I had high expectations from more decades of splendid track mod RA versions from various sims. Reiza lives up to my personal expectations here.
However there's minor AIW jobs to be improved., especially on the Bend-version.
A GT Classic race of the 911 RSR and the Chevy C3-R AI's had some periodically hillarious outcomes at both Hurry Downs, and right after The Bend into Kettle Buttoms. Apart from that, I think the AIW job is nice. But the Carousel is bulls eye, witnessing the AI difference between the '74 911 RSR vs. the Chevy C3-R, taking the sweep.

I had a very fun offline race at The Bend-version with the AI's with a very nice immersion. Fun to be overtaken by the fast straightliner C3-R's and then maneuver around them in the turns. by sliding all over trying to stay on track with FFB maxed out

New cars:
Only tried the Formula Retro Gen3 Turbo, but wow, what a job. At least in relation to my taste.
I really think you can feel the short wheel base it is.
Tyre feed back: also my taste.
Turbo: Again haven't driven this IRL, but it feels "too easy"/"too linear". I'd expected a more sudden uncontrollable boost, as I've been so excited about trying to mitigate in different mods in AC, rF1 and GTR2.
I miss some more challenges here - but if this is an authentic immersion, it's OK with me.

Helmet cam:
Well regarding the note:

• Made the helmet and cockpit cameras orientation change that comes from G-force effect be scaled by the G-force slider settings (previously only the camera position change was scaled, not the orientation)

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Hmm - I see no change? Above test in the F Retro Gen3 Turbo was with helmet cam. But OK I'll try again.
Just two wishes

• Helmet cam seems to available for exclusively single seaters - why not all cars? I think Race 07 had for all cars and it's a fantastic sim immersion compared to normal cockpit view.
• Helmet Cam Look to Apex. Race 07 had fine visibility here. I understand for VR racers, but I'm using normal curved screen. Look-to-Apex has some values to change in the settings menu, but I see no effect here?

Mixed weather conf:

• Default weather progression for official championships are now sync to race

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Well, weather progression for normal mixed weather race (not championship mode) also was faulty.
But now testet OK here too, thanks.

OK my time ran out again, sorry. At least I'm not grumpy this time

And for all the classic cars: I'll advice everybody to switch off all aids, near max out FFB (depending on wheel ofcourse whether ~4.2Nm as mine or DD/DD1/DD2 +30Nm) and have a go. SO nice start for a weekend

stenovitz said:

• Helmet cam seems to available for exclusively single seaters - why not all cars? I think Race 07 had for all cars and it's a fantastic sim immersion compared to normal cockpit view.

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OK have to correct myself. Seems quite alot of modern GT cars are delivered the opportunity for Helmet Cam as well. But then why not the classic '74 911 RSR?

All in all I think as a full package this sim just gets better with every update, and the depth of cause and effect going on in it is just immense! Particularly impressed with the new driveline flex and damage, not many other sims out there that have thse kinda features (in terms of damage anyway). Also the tracks, they are really well done, even if not all laserscanned, I think the quality of them is fantastic. Every sim has its are in which it shines, and AMS2 certainly has those, not to say its not without its problem, but then, its the same story there aswell, one thing that really stands out about this sim is'nt actually just the sim, its the dev team. So good at communication and listening to feedback, and so fast at updates and fixing problems.

ChevyGuy566 said:

Anyone else find the F-Retro Gen3 (1983 F1 cars) completely undrivable? They have understeer and oversteer at various parts of the corner, they're snappy, they're twitchy, the brakes are RIDICULOUSLY sensitive. And no amount of setup tweaking seems to help. These things drive like how every car drove when AMS2 first came out. There has to be something wrong with the physics. I get that this was the first year of ground effects being banned but holy hell, I just have no confidence in the car.

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I was excited to try these cars too, but as you say, undrivable. I think there is hope however. People who like those horrible CART cars say they are outstanding. So maybe eventually we will get some love on the retro stuff

That's a whole lot of "physics engine" without specifying what part.

I feel very Now, its very simple when they are not obfuscating it

What a wholesale of nothing.